Out of line?

JonTravisTaylor

JonTravisTaylor

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Hello all...playing for 20 a game and 30 in side bets...

His string @ 11 points/ my shot...I make 2 reds and 2 7's...then run 2,3,4,5...straight in on the 6 to the side...He says GOOD GAME, I say thanks and cross bank the 6 instead of shooting in straight in...I miss and he says, "Oh wait a minute Ive got a chance!" well a few F-bombs and pleasantries later I still beat him, but am still pissed off about it...am I out of line here? I mean, I've got 19 on the string with only the 6 and 7 remaining and he says good game. I took this as a concession. Any thoughts?

If not a concession then at least a MAJOR SHARKING attempt IMO.
 
When he said good game for me that is a concession. I would make double sure of it,
unless I have played with that player enough to know exactly what he means.

However, when you kept shooting that's pretty much the same as saying "no we will play until the end"
or "you only need one foul to tie".
The frame either ends there with the concession or you keep playing, there is no inbetween for me.

So I think it was ok for him to realise he needed one 6-point foul to be able to tie
and one 7-point foul to be able to win and play on.

gr. Dave
 
I agree that your opponent's words imply concession and that is the way that I would have taken it. However, all the cue games have a tendency to attract nefarious types so that one can never be certain of intent.

A very good rule of thumb to go by is to NEVER assume concession when ONLY one snooker is required for the opponent to be in. If two or more snookers are needed, then a little hot dogging is in order. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIEvLlCthH0

(Although in this case the showboater is the frame loser. RIP Alex.)
 
If you think the game has been conceded....
..DO NOT TOUCH THE BALLS.
Life can be simple
 
I'm trying to get my head around what was potted and what a piece of string was doing on the table?

The game is called snooker not pool.
 
As a general rule always finish your break, or at the very least run down to the black at which point you can call the game. But as far as rules go, your opponent isn't technically allowed to concede during you're turn. It does happen in competition, but generally only after your opponent needs snookers which yours wasn't in that position yet.

But generally speaking, bad form on his part. He should keep his mouth shut during your turn.
 
Sorry mate! We Yanks don't have the fancy little fellow with the white gloves following us around to keep score and place "potted" balls for us...we have to work for ourselves!

LOL!
 
Wity said:
I'm trying to get my head around what was potted and what a piece of string was doing on the table?

The game is called snooker not pool.
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Sorry mate! We Yanks don't have the fancy little fellow with the white gloves following us around to keep score and place "potted" balls for us...we have to work for ourselves!

LOL!
 
Wity said:
I'm trying to get my head around what was potted and what a piece of string was doing on the table?

The game is called snooker not pool.
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For 14.1 straight pool, scoring is often kept with beads hanging on a string near the table similar to an abacus. These strings generally only have fifty beads per side (black and white) with a marker for each group of ten beads to make it easier to decipher. Of course, snooker frames will often go well beyond fifty points in the frame so at these venues, the beads have been adapted for the purpose. (You would be surprised how difficult it is to get proper snooker equipment this side of the pond.)

The beads then act to keep the score DIFFERENTIAL, i.e., "string @ 11" means the opponent is up by 11 points. At the end of the story then, Jon Travis was up 19 after a break of 30 points leaving one snooker required to tie with play on the pink. Also, on 5 x 10 American tables, the colors ("colours", to translate for you, heh-heh!) are often numbered with their value. Reds are still just red. To boot, the brown is often maroon and the pink is often orange (to keep with our standard "eight ball" color scheme. This often leads Americans to refer to the colors by their number value instead, again, habit from the other pool games. Personally, I find this a pity as a color has so much more personality and character, but a number is just a number. For instance, the "blue" can really stab you in the back (just ask Willie Thorne), but the "five" is just a "five".

"I dream of the day when a man will be judged by the content of his character, not by......[his dialect and use of language]." --adapted from Martin Luther King, Jr.

Isn't diversity wonderful?
 
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that's why I went out and bought new snooker balls when I had my table recovered and the rails remade back in September. I now have 15 red, yellow, green, BROWN, blue, PINK and black. I was tired of not having the correct kind of Aramith balls I saw being used while watching the tournaments on the internet. And I like it so much more. Plus the original set of "american snooker" balls were 30 years old and probably had seen better hitting days.
 
Underclocked said:
Wity was just being silly, as usual. :grin:
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I've no doubt that Wity got the gist of the story, if not the specifics. Whenever I read his posts, I can't help but picture Benny Hill in my head. Just putting my two cents worth in for the traditions of the game. I think it is a shame that the American balls are numbered. I understand calling these balls by number instead of color. I can't imagine nominating "maroon" after potting a red. That numeral emblazoned on its spherical surface is akin to a name on a jersey.

But when the set in use is properly colored and otherwise unadorned, I greatly prefer reference by color. To me, color is like the name, value is like the occupation. If you are at a cocktail party, you would say, "Meet Jim, he's a carpenter". In the same way, "Here is the blue, its value is five", and not the other way around. ("Meet a carpenter, his name is Jim"? "This is the five, its color is blue"? These sound silly to my ear.)
 
Yeah okay I was being sarcastic, but snooker is played on a 12'x6' table with 15 reds, a white, and 6 coloured balls non of which have numbers on them. Anything else is a kids game or a bastardised version of snooker played on a pool table. So if your gonna talk about kiddies tables and bastardised rules in a pigeon English that a reader has to guess at a translation post it in the pool section where it stands a chance of being understood first time please.

As for the scenario, next time your playing for money get someone to referee, surely one of those placing a side bet could have done so. Without a ref such a scene is half a dozen of one and six of the other.

...But as far as rules go, your opponent isn't technically allowed to concede during you're turn.
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Pretty sure your wrong there Cameron, the rules state no such thing.
 
acesinc1999 said:
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"I dream of the day when a man will be judged by the content of his character, not by......[his dialect and use of language]." --adapted from Martin Luther King, Jr.

Isn't diversity wonderful?
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It is yes, I love my accent and speak it all the time except in the company of strangers from afar but i rarely write it as i sound. Thing is if you like me had a son who is totally deaf and writes pretty much as he hears via a cochlear implant ie, misses out words, never writes an "s" as he's never heard one and many other things you'd be reading pigeon english written by a quite intelligent young man but think him a thicko.

So When i read pigeon english written by a normal hearing person it just pisses me off a bit thus the sarcasm.
 
Wity said:
It is yes, I love my accent and speak it all the time except in the company of strangers from afar but i rarely write it as i sound. Thing is if you like me had a son who is totally deaf and writes pretty much as he hears via a cochlear implant ie, misses out words, never writes an "s" as he's never heard one and many other things you'd be reading pigeon english written by a quite intelligent young man but think him a thicko.

So When i read pigeon english written by a normal hearing person it just pisses me off a bit thus the sarcasm.
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Wity..the term is 'pidgin'....usually a mixture of two or more languages in
a simplified form.
..or is your term 'pigeon' implying 'birdbrain'?:grin:

Whatever, for me, your sarcasm and satire is welcome....
...the forum needs your wit and 'wake-up calls'.....
..I'm sure some of my Yorkshire ancestors would understand.

But a black ball can be a 7-ball...and a 7-ball can be a black ball.

..and the 'string' is better known as the 'wire'...and it works fine....
...like an abacus still makes sense
 
Wity said:
It is yes, I love my accent and speak it all the time except in the company of strangers from afar but i rarely write it as i sound. Thing is if you like me had a son who is totally deaf and writes pretty much as he hears via a cochlear implant ie, misses out words, never writes an "s" as he's never heard one and many other things you'd be reading pigeon english written by a quite intelligent young man but think him a thicko.

So When i read pigeon english written by a normal hearing person it just pisses me off a bit thus the sarcasm.
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Wity, please, no offense intended. Quite the opposite, really. I spent three of my best years on your shores in North Yorks, thus, my love for the game in its proper form. In fact, I dreamed of marrying a British bird, but, alas, it wasn't meant to be.

My intent was, despite the terminology variations, many of us here share the same passion for the game although we may have a different way of expressing it.

In fact, I have a special needs child in my extended family (Downs Syndrome, in this case, so very different from your situation) so I can sympathize. Accept my apologies for the misunderstanding.
 
Wity, you would only appreciate what a luxury it is to have 6x12 tables about for ready play if you were to live in an area where even a 5x10 table has become a rarity. For me to play snooker of any sort involves a 60+ mile drive.

The purpose of language is to communicate. I think we manage that fairly well over here in the sticks. We even have hollerin' contests. :grin:

But I do understand your sensitivity and am sorry to learn of your son's condition.
 
I am with Underclocked here. I am fortunate to run a little single table club with a 6 x 12 as close to proper as I can make it. I have a dozen members come from near and far. One from Madison, WI travels over 100 miles EACH WAY to come in about once every two weeks or so for four hours of table time. Its a full day for him. I do the best I can to maintain the equipment, but even so, it is probably just about the equivalent of a standard table at the neighborhood Working Man's Club for our British friends. Snooker enthusiasts over here must be particularly dedicated to play on whatever equipment they may find and so should be forgiven for their lack of exposure to the proper vernacular.

To any on the American side, don't be fooled into thinking that a professional 6 x 12 table is really not such a big deal. Consider why it is that we have not managed to place a strong American on the professional circuit. The money is there to be had and should be a lure to any with enough talent. For whatever reason, exposure to the game over here has never gained any traction so it continues to have little more than a "cult" following.
 
The opening shot is here referred to as the break shot. A run is the equivalent of a break (in the UK). The "string" can be a string or it can be a wire and can be referred to by either term... or it can be replaced with a chalkboard or anything else whereby one can keep score. Individual scores are sometimes kept but more often (in my experience) the score is a reflection of the net difference between the two totals. 19 on the wire or string would mean the player having same has a 19 point lead. And isn't it the lead that really matters?

We make bank shots instead of doubles. We don't pot balls, we "make" or pocket them. Most places require a rail be contacted during a shot to avoid a foul. There is no bonus ball, no frozen ball rule, nor any three foul rule in snooker. A shot to nowhere is a foul.

That or some close variation is how I've seen snooker played here in the US since I was a child. The end result is a game that is close enough to the British version to be indistinguishable by most. One who could play well at one could surely and easily adapt to the other (save for the differences in ball and table size).

I don't see the differences in terminology or the slight rule differences as a major source of conflict or irritation.

What REALLY bothers me is the demise of snooker in this country and no apparent serious effort to counter that trend. Bar tables have been our curse.
 
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