APA question for 9 ball?

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evis

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Player A hits the wrong ball out of rotation, all day long it’s a foul.

But the cue ball is still moving after the hit and unquestionably going to hit another object ball.

Player B snatches the cue ball off of the table while the cue ball is still moving before it hits any other ball. What happens now?
 
evis said:
Player A hits the wrong ball out of rotation, all day long it’s a foul.

But the cue ball is still moving after the hit and unquestionably going to hit another object ball.

Player B snatches the cue ball off of the table while the cue ball is still moving before it hits any other ball. What happens now?
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WTF? Really? Maybe Player B didn't think there was any chance it was going to hit anything.
 
I'm not sure on that rule, but it should be loss of game, especially if intentional. JMO
 
evis said:
Player A hits the wrong ball out of rotation, all day long it’s a foul.

But the cue ball is still moving after the hit and unquestionably going to hit another object ball.

Player B snatches the cue ball off of the table while the cue ball is still moving before it hits any other ball. What happens now?
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Well the rules state the cue ball is always alive. Although it isn't explicitly stated as a foul, touching the cue ball while it still in motion and likely to contact other balls is unsportsmanlike conduct.
 
Txstang1 said:
I'm not sure on that rule, but it should be loss of game, especially if intentional. JMO
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It's APA. At most it would be ball in hand but I believe the official ruling would be something like, 'I'm not sure' if you ask your league operator.

Unless it was a higher-level tournament just rerack and move on.

They don't really do 'loss of game' rulings all that often.
 
zpele said:
It's APA. At most it would be ball in hand but I believe the official ruling would be something like, 'I'm not sure' if you ask your league operator.

Unless it was a higher-level tournament just rerack and move on.

They don't really do 'loss of game' rulings all that often.
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This is probably the best answer, adding that everyone involved needs to know that it really should be a loss of game, due to unsportsmanlike conduct, and that would likely be the call if there were a ref present....in other words, its a mistake, dont do it again.
 
justadub said:
This is probably the best answer, adding that everyone involved needs to know that it really should be a loss of game, due to unsportsmanlike conduct, and that would likely be the call if there were a ref present....in other words, its a mistake, dont do it again.
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Oh I know of one unsportsmanlike conduct call that resulted in a certain tournament being lost by one of my teams. It most definitely should have been called as ball in hand. I'm only marginally bitter and I understand this has absolutely no bearing on the current discussion....

Maybe a bit more than 'marginally.'
 
zpele said:
Oh I know of one unsportsmanlike conduct call that resulted in a certain tournament being lost by one of my teams. It most definitely should have been called as ball in hand. I'm only marginally bitter and I understand this has absolutely no bearing on the current discussion....

Maybe a bit more than 'marginally.'
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I dont doubt it. Stuff tends to happen. Even if there a fantasy land scenario where you could have a ref for each table, stuff would still happen....

Our Tri Cups this weekend, woman playing her match is so pissed, she slams the wooden rack onto the table, while getting ready to rack. Unfortunately, she got a finger under the rack, and either broke or dislocated it. Couldn't continue. Now what?

The L.O. had to call national for a ruling....crazy, crazy stuff happens. (They eventually continued on with other matches, and the points differential was so much that when the ruling came in, it didn't matter. And no, I don't know what the ruling was, thank god it wasn't our match.)
 
Obviously it is ball in hand because a foul has already occured. The question then becomes did he pick it up early so it would improve his chances of winning? If the answer is yes than it should be unsportsman like conduct. If it was a honest mistake the incoming player has BIH.

For the record I have seen players pick up a moving cue ball on many occasion and it has never been malicious. Usually I tell them they shouldn't do that for the exact reason the TC created this topic.
 
evis said:
Player A hits the wrong ball out of rotation, all day long it’s a foul.

But the cue ball is still moving after the hit and unquestionably going to hit another object ball.

Player B snatches the cue ball off of the table while the cue ball is still moving before it hits any other ball. What happens now?
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All it is is ball in hand. There is no Lose of game or anything like that
 
By the APA 9 Ball rules - "Causing even the slightest movement or altering the course of the cue ball, even accidentally, is a foul.".

Even if it appeared deliberate, it is unlikely that it would be called as unsportmanlike unless it happened more than once in a match (hard to know and generally impossible to prove what was in the mind of a player).

APA 8 Ball rules do have a provision for loss of game if the cue ball path is altered during a game losing situation (about to scratch after shooting the 8 ball). There is no equivalent in 9 Ball.
 
TheNewSharkster said:
Obviously it is ball in hand because a foul has already occured. The question then becomes did he pick it up early so it would improve his chances of winning? If the answer is yes than it should be unsportsman like conduct. If it was a honest mistake the incoming player has BIH.

For the record I have seen players pick up a moving cue ball on many occasion and it has never been malicious. Usually I tell them they shouldn't do that for the exact reason the TC created this topic.
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Excatly it wasnt malicious, but the cue ball should still be condsided alive till its stops moving regardless if its foul or not. Dunno?
 
I had someone kick at the 7 ball, completely missed the kick, then intentionally grabbed the cue ball as it came around the table because it was going to break up the 8 and 9, which were clustered. It should of been loss of game in my opinion, as it was so clearly intentional and impacted my next shot so severely.

I had ball in hand down the other end of the table on the 7 and had to use more power and and spin than I should have had to, in an attempt to break open the cluster. The 7 rattled deep in the pocket and didn't drop and the cue ball went down table and broke apart the 8 and 9 perfectly... Was very angry about the turn of events and how I basically just handed him a game I should of won because of his BS move... until he followed the cue ball into the pocket when shooting the hanging 7. :)

I told him after the match that if he used more skills and less crappy moves to try to win games he would of never missed a hanger like that.
 
There is no penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct so what's the point? Why not just make the rule that intentionally interfering with a cue ball in motion is loss of game? I've heard it argued that it would slow down play. But how long can a cue ball roll? Maybe a few seconds, tops.
 
PaulieB said:
I had someone kick at the 7 ball, completely missed the kick, then intentionally grabbed the cue ball as it came around the table because it was going to break up the 8 and 9, which were clustered. It should of been loss of game in my opinion, as it was so clearly intentional and impacted my next shot so severely.

I had ball in hand down the other end of the table on the 7 and had to use more power and and spin than I should have had to, in an attempt to break open the cluster. The 7 rattled deep in the pocket and didn't drop and the cue ball went down table and broke apart the 8 and 9 perfectly... Was very angry about the turn of events and how I basically just handed him a game I should of won because of his BS move... until he followed the cue ball into the pocket when shooting the hanging 7. :)

I told him after the match that if he used more skills and less crappy moves to try to win games he would of never missed a hanger like that.
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he who laughs last laughs best:smile:
just sayin
 
People often grab the cue ball soon as they foul, just like when they foul on the break most just re-break where it's actually a foul and the opponent can take the break if they want.

You have to go by a few things though, did the player know that the cue ball should not be touched after a foul? Many don't know that. If they knew maybe they just reacted without thinking, it may not have been a deliberate act to touch the cue ball.

Because of those things, without an official there to rule on this, it will end up being a non-call.
 
Lol

reminds me of last weekend, I was playing a woman in a tournament, race to 3, short rack 8 ball, and she tipped the cueball twice sending it past the kitchen over the line. She grabbed it both times, and put it back, and tried again. Maybe, she was used to getting 'overs' .... lol I went ahead and let her until she finally did break the rack.
 
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