CJ's Suggestions

[one stroke]

Being a pro pool player on a pool forum naturally creates emotional turbulence. ....it's ironic isn't it...... I wonder what the real reason is?

ROALMFAO
I'm more than sure there's countless players on here that had the ability to play pro pool but where smart enough to persue other more lucertive professions like garbage collectors or meter readers or just about anything else that pays more than pool
So I highly doubt anyone is jealous of a pool player

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[Patrick Johnson]

CJ:
It's like explaining how an orange tastes to someone that's never tasted an orange.

Yes, it is - but I'm not surprised you don't get it right away; it's a little counterintuitive.

I'm also not surprised you passed on another golden opportunity to "debate" and went with the cheap one-liner as usual. If you had an actual argument we'd have heard it years ago when I first pointed this fallacy out.

pj
chgo

 

[DAVE_M]

Being a pro pool player on a pool forum naturally creates emotional turbulence. ....it's ironic isn't it...... I wonder what the real reason is?

Haters? I don't hate you, I just think you are a bit strange. I don't really hate anyone. I have nothing to hate you for. I don't want to become a professional. I don't want to become a hustler. I especially don't want to become reliant on action monies.

The real reason is, I want to enjoy the game and enjoy the forums, not have to skip through your self promoting TOI ramblings. You are the equivalent of the guy walking door to door trying to sell me Cutco knives. I know Cutco knives are crap, but you still show up at my door telling me they are the best.

 

[lfigueroa]

Being a pro pool player on a pool forum naturally creates emotional turbulence. ....it's ironic isn't it...... I wonder what the real reason is?

lol. I doubt anyone hates you any more than they hate the kid that comes up and tries to wash your windshield at a busy intersection.

You don't hate him, you just find him annoying.

Lou Figueroa

 

[(((Satori)))]

Lol, I am from a little town called Harrah. I imagine that should be easy for a backward ass boy from Kentucky to remember.

P.S. How has your CTE training been coming along, Bamboozle?

If you call having a very rare 80 - 100 ball run before it and >50 100+ ball runs after helping........yeah, it's worked out for me OK I suppose.

I've never said TOI doesn't work. It's claims like "once you master the TOI shot you'll be able to play at a championship level" and various other disingenuous statements, claims, etc that turns me off a bit............remember the "hitting with the elbow" thing??

So it is the disingenuous statements and claims that get to you, but you are ok with the guy who teaches a system from another dimension that only works on a 2x1 surface, right Bamboozle?
https://youtu.be/5wQysSywOxU


Something tells me that YOU are being a little disingenuous, what is your real issue with CJ?

 

[jojopiff]

I don't particularly care for most of CJ's posts (and obviously several others don't either) but I didn't vote as I think this thread was in extraordinarily poor taste. Doesn't matter if he's a pro, shortstop, or banger, he's a human and shouldn't have to come on this site and see someone has started a thread essentially about if people like him or not. Grow the f*@k up people and if someone bothers you, simply ignore them. Anyone who bashes the mods should realize watching over this place is probably like being teacher of a kindergarten.

 

[(((Satori)))]

Lol, I am from a little town called Harrah. I imagine that should be easy for a backward ass boy from Kentucky to remember.

P.S. How has your CTE training been coming along, Bamboozle?

If you call having a very rare 80 - 100 ball run before it and >50 100+ ball runs after helping........yeah, it's worked out for me OK I suppose.

I've never said TOI doesn't work. It's claims like "once you master the TOI shot you'll be able to play at a championship level" and various other disingenuous statements, claims, etc that turns me off a bit............remember the "hitting with the elbow" thing??

So it is the disingenuous statements and claims that get to you, but you are ok with the guy who teaches a system from another dimension that only works on a 2x1 surface, right Bamboozle?
https://youtu.be/5wQysSywOxU


Something tells me that YOU are being a little disingenuous, what is your real issue with CJ?

 

[Spimp13]

We play the game to completion, this means you can run 15 and out several times. It's just for practice purposes, there was no money changing hands.

You might have mentioned that earlier in your original post lol. The way you first mentioned it is slightly different than what you just now posted for clarification.

So to answer the question someone asked earlier it wasn't a regular game of one pocket they were playing. No one in the world is going to average games that quickly (6 min average) for a 2 hour period vs an accomplished player with the key aspect of that phrase being vs an "accomplished player". One pocket is not a fast game at all. Some shots are very obvious on the correct play, but others require extensive studying of the layout of the table which takes a bit of time which is why you will see most games go slowly.

 

[DAVE_M]

You might have mentioned that earlier in your original post lol. The way you first mentioned it is slightly different than what you just now posted for clarification.

So to answer the question someone asked earlier it wasn't a regular game of one pocket they were playing. No one in the world is going to average games that quickly (6 min average) for a 2 hour period vs an accomplished player with the key aspect of that phrase being vs an "accomplished player". One pocket is not a fast game at all. Some shots are very obvious on the correct play, but others require extensive studying of the layout of the table which takes a bit of time which is why you will see most games go slowly.

CJ thinks he's a good one pocket player?
Why isn't he in Metairie, LA right now?

 

[Drop The Rock]

CJ thinks he's a good one pocket player?
Why isn't he in Metairie, LA right now?

Lol CJ reminds me of the South Park portrayal of Michael Jackson. "Ya'll are just ignorant!"

 

[DTL]

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[SJDinPHX]

.....So, Satori from Harrah, go ahead and respond and I'll just concede from there.......we'll call you the winner in these exchanges between us as I'm just not interested in continuing any further. Nice talking to you.

I certainly agree with your attitude, DTL..Its pretty plain to see, that trying to communicate with a 'TOI/CJ supporter', is very similar to trying to carry on a conversation with 'wool' ! (or maybe a brick)

PS..I only do it for boredom relief !..If I want a REAL challenge, I just pull John Barton's chain, on facebook ! :thumbup:

 

[Push&Pool]

160 to 32.........hmmmm, 192 balls total, a minimum of 24 games if the score was 8-0 every game. So probably about 18-20 games played in 2 hours????.......TOI was working that night!! About 1 game every 6 minutes, wow!

Oh leave CJ alone, he's doing great! Our games here often take 10 min+, sometimes almost half an hour. Yes, the rules are all different, and it's last pocket. But still, it's obvious he's at least somewhat better than me, and I'm not afraid to admit that.

 

[(((Satori)))]

It's documented when I received CTE training. I have at least 30 of those 100+ ball runs on video since that date.........several are on youtube for your viewing pleasure. I can post the remaining ones, one about every other day or so, if you like watching them..........no charge.:wink:

I also have text message conversations with Stan during the early weeks following his training with me..........candid, child-like excitement about a genuine jump in my game.:embarrassed2:

For anyone proficient at the system, they can throw an OB and CB on the table and from virtually anywhere they settle do a 15, 30 or 45 visual with a left or right sweep, shoot straight down CCB and most of the time the OB will connect to a pocket somewhere (with a straight stroke and correct speed)................you'll make the non-bank shot, banks will likely take a couple tries after figuring in speed, spin and cloth considerations. But, just like all systems, it works for some and not for others. I've tried to stay out of the aiming wars. There are people involved in this that I totally agree with on most other pool related issues.

Why would I lie about this? I've never made a penny in terms of pool related instruction to others.

Stan is an honest, sincere person. He would never charge anyone a dime if he didn't genuinely feel what he was teaching was real.

IMO CJ has not been totally honest and sincere on here. Do YOU believe that CJ has been totally honest and sincere?

So, Satori from Harrah, go ahead and respond and I'll just concede from there.......we'll call you the winner in these exchanges between us as I'm just not interested in continuing any further. Nice talking to you.

The disingenuous comment was not based on you being disingenuous about your skill level. I have seen your youtube chanel and you have shown some skill to be proud of. That table is pretty forgiving though, but like I said this has nothing to do with your skill but rather you being disingenuous with why you follow CJ on here with attempts to discredit him.

You see, I was talking about your spite for CJ for the reason that you claim he is being untrue in order to sell dvds yet you have no problems with Stan and his claims. Either you are hypocritical in your hatered and unable to hold Stan up to the same standads that you set for CJ, or you are unable to tell that well over half of Stans claims are untrue or bamboozeling if you will, or you have another motive behind your spite for CJ all together. You claim the second choice, that you are unaware of Stans bamboozle and recognize CJ to be a bamboozeler and I think that is disingenuous.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Either you are hypocritical in your hatered and unable to hold Stan up to the same standads that you set for CJ, or you are unable to tell that well over half of Stans claims are untrue or bamboozeling if you will, or you have another motive behind your spite for CJ all together. Which is it?

Between Stan and CJ, whose claims do you think are more true?

pj
chgo

 

[(((Satori)))]

Between Stan and CJ, whose claims do you think are more true?

pj
chgo

They both say stuff that sounds out there at times. I have been able to make sense out of a lot more of CJ's teaching though and a lot more of what he teaches I see in my own game. Stans stuff not so much.

More importantly to me is if I question CJ he has always responded to me repectfully while Stan tried to play games and get me banned when I questioned his statements.

 

[Ron Swanson]

They both say stuff that sounds out there at times. I have been able to make sense out of a lot more of CJ's teaching though and a lot more of what he teaches I see in my own game. Stans stuff not so much.

More importantly to me is if I question CJ he has always responded to me repectfully while Stan tried to play games and get me banned when I questioned his statements.

For all his faults and whatever his motives, CJ takes criticism with good grace and without making it overly personal. Nor does he demand special treatment and try to get people banned, as far as i know. The same cannot be said of certain other shill-meisters.

 

[Hungarian]

You must be real hard to train. Probably not a very good team player and I would guess you are stubborn as a mule. People like you make me laugh. But I don't hate you...

I've not learned a thing from cj. I don't despise him, nor have i been brainwashed. Whether I'm in my right mind or not is for others to judge.

CJ is a giant pain in the arse, but is easy to ignore. I don't think I've finished reading one of his posts for years, I'm simply not interested in his techniques. Successful modern day players don't play that way, and that's good enough for me. I'm not interested in how ole One-Eyed Shorty Jack played the game 30 years ago.

The problem here is perception. The majority of those voting are mediocre players. That's the brutal truth. They are star struck and, frankly, don't know any better. I would be amazed if genuine A players and better have taken much notice of what he is saying.

There's an easy way to settle this: create an anonymous account on thesnookerforum and cut and paste CJs methods into a thread and see what the response is. Once everyone has stopped laughing, post the same poll as the OP. You will have an impartial answer from people who can also play a bit.

Simples.

 

[DAVE_M]

They both say stuff that sounds out there at times. I have been able to make sense out of a lot more of CJ's teaching though and a lot more of what he teaches I see in my own game. Stans stuff not so much.

More importantly to me is if I question CJ he has always responded to me repectfully while Stan tried to play games and get me banned when I questioned his statements.

Stan teaches an AIMING SYSTEM
CJ teaches you to shoot every shot with enough Inside English to kill the spin created after collision with the object ball, so that the cue ball has no spin coming off the rail.

Two totally different things

 

[DTL]

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