How about someone from team Europe gamble with Sky/MD/Bergman
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Didn't they just play them for 10k each? Seems like
enough for now.
Pretty sure the boys had a great party and are now
returning to family/christmas mode until the DCC.
gr. Dave
enough for now.
Pretty sure the boys had a great party and are now
returning to family/christmas mode until the DCC.
gr. Dave
justinb386
Banned
Are you sure they won 20K each? That is 100k for the entire team, and 50k to the losers? How much to the captains? Sorry for going off topic. I have a feeling that the European players do not gamble. Maybe that is why the image of pool is so much better in Europe (maybe because the pro players do not gamble, so there is no bad image of gambling and the violence that gambling causes). I do not know. Maybe I am completely wrong. Maybe that is why pool is so big in Europe and Asia (because it does not have the bad image that America gave to pool).
Pool in Europe is for sure struggling. Dwindling number of league players,
pool halls closing a.s.f. There are certainly european players that do not
gamble but I know for a fact Niels, Darren and to a lesser extent NvdB do.
I do not know Albin & Karl well enough to know either way.
gr. Dave
pool halls closing a.s.f. There are certainly european players that do not
gamble but I know for a fact Niels, Darren and to a lesser extent NvdB do.
I do not know Albin & Karl well enough to know either way.
gr. Dave
This was an exhibition. Sure Europe played better overall, but individual races to 5 is too short to determine much.
I dont know what the the captains get, but the losers get 10K each and the winners receive 20K each. Plus I believe all the traveling expenses were covered.
justinb386
Banned
Oh, that is sad to hear. I imagined pool in Europe was so much bigger then in the USA, with many more junior players picking up the game, and I imagined the pool economy always doing great in Europe. This is really sad news. Maybe the USA is not the only country with a failing pool economy. I read somewhere awhile back that the European players were not into gambling like the American players are. This always seemed to make sense to me, because the European players seem to have such class, and I imagine the best image for the sport.
^^^ 2nd that ^^^
The money was there to be won and it's Europe bringing home the bacon. :thumbup:
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A single race to 5 is too short I agree on that.
But best of 21 races to 5 is long enough. And 6 of
those in a row make it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Making the individual races longer wouldn't change
the outcome. Mosconi is a team event and a great
one at that. What do the European players have to
prove by gambling? Sure they could win some money
but the offer to gamble after being soundly beaten
stuff is mostly about puffing ones chest.
"Yeah sure your team beat ours in a race to 55 6 times
in a row, but one-on-one in a long race of winner break
10-ball our man Shane can beat all of you." Which is true
and everyone on team Europe knows it but it is missing
the point of the Mosconi Cup.
gr. Dave
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Typical, who wants to gamble is always the go to reply. Do you want to gamble with Karl or DAZ or albin to defend Americas honor? Of course not cause that not what you mean. Just like I mentioned this is exactly what plaguing pool in America. Your boys just had the chance to make an extra 10k and dogged it "6 times" now you want to prove something with a heads up match to prove what, who's better on that day? Shane just got dumped on in a match against a noob "oh that's right the rules, stars, temperature and mojo chant wasn't exactly in you favor for a win"
I'm sick of you guys acting like the event was handicapped and America had to go to 9 and was giving EUR 4 on the wire, the better man came out on top 6 TIMES! We did the same thing to them before it happens
I'm sick of you guys acting like the event was handicapped and America had to go to 9 and was giving EUR 4 on the wire, the better man came out on top 6 TIMES! We did the same thing to them before it happens
The races are not short
Day 1 Europe won 20-17 in games
Day 2 Europe won 22-16
Day 3 Europe won 21-17
Day 4 Europe won 14-13
Overall pretty even matches with Europe winning all four days 77-63.
Solid and telling, but still relatively close each day.
If they gambled on the same table, with 4 1/4 pockets, with an impartial ref and rack-person, the outcome would be the same. The better player would still win.
I get that Europe is better overall than Team USA.
But lets see some one on one action.
Sky vs Albin Ouschan race to 21 for 5K and see who is better. Albin won 5-4 with Sky getting a bad roll says nothing about who is the better player.
Not that I don't think Albin isn't a world class player. Guy played great. It's just that with this format it say nothing about if individually X is a better player than Y on that day.
Lose the Mosconi once, may be an accident.
Lose the Mosoni twice in succession, may be a coincidence.
Lose the Mosconi three times in succession and you have a pattern of behaviour.
U.S. has lost how many times in succession?
Like I said, I fully understand TEAM Europe is better than TEAM USA.
But would any of them play against Justin individually for the cash in a race to 21 or 50??
How many Americans play big stakes matches with nothing but their own money? What's the difference between having the money posted by a tournament sponsor and having it posted by one of your cartels?
The reason gambling isn't so big in Europe is because European players have a lot more opportunities to win worthwhile prizes in their own tournaments than Americans. For most of the year the only chance American pros have to win any cash on a regular basis is by playing in regional tournaments where a dozen or more pros are fighting over maybe $10,000 in prize money. If they don't finish in the top 4 or 5, they're not even guaranteed to make their nut. That's not much incentive for talented young players to give up their day jobs.
And at least some of the Europeans are more than willing to gamble. When Feijen first came over here in the late 90's for the U.S. Open, he was offering the six ball to the shortstops in the DC area and torching them for any amount they'd want to put up.
The reason gambling isn't so big in Europe is because European players have a lot more opportunities to win worthwhile prizes in their own tournaments than Americans. For most of the year the only chance American pros have to win any cash on a regular basis is by playing in regional tournaments where a dozen or more pros are fighting over maybe $10,000 in prize money. If they don't finish in the top 4 or 5, they're not even guaranteed to make their nut. That's not much incentive for talented young players to give up their day jobs.
And at least some of the Europeans are more than willing to gamble. When Feijen first came over here in the late 90's for the U.S. Open, he was offering the six ball to the shortstops in the DC area and torching them for any amount they'd want to put up.
But this format is all about team play and team dynamics. We get to see one on one pool every other week of the year. Can't we enjoy the one week where the greatest team tourney of the year takes place ?
I get it. We lost. There was some crappy rolls, and we as fans bemoaned "our" luck. We're supposed to complain. That's what being a fan vs being indifferent to our sport is all about. But let's enjoy the amazing event we just had the pleasure to be part of.
On to the Derby City Classic, where race to 7, winner breaks is even a worse format, but I love it!
Freddie <~~~ you bet it's a sport
Well, technically, the DCC is a race to 7 along with two races to 3 and some 14.1 thrown in as well along with a mega cool 10' 10 ball event. Gotta love the DCC!
Would you back sky vs karl or neils?