Stevie Moore parallel shots CTE video

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Part One

The two set/ups in consideration can be looked at conventionally as a ONE line center to edge visual. Conventional means that one's vision center acts as a line of sight directly long the CTE line. This approach yeilds two identical perspectives that most everyone is familiar with. This objective perspective has nothing to do with real Center to Edge Aiming. This approach is typical fractions. Lastly, this perspective does not effectively pocket the the two sets of balls without adjustments.
Stan Shuffett
 
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With your baseball pitching analogy? All that suggests is that the pitcher adjusts his aim (visuals) and moves his body (adjusts) accordingly. Stevie Moore claims to have used the same visual and same pivot for two different shot angles. Unless there's another factor he isn't mentioning, there is no room for more than one shot angle for each cue ball to object ball distance.

You are suggesting perception is that other factor. Stevie makes no mention of perception, so I'm asking you to tell me what this other factor is. Same approach, same visuals, and same pivot mean one shot. One. Not more than one. One and one alone. The only room for variation is the distance from cue ball to object ball, not a magical plethora of shot angles from the same cue ball-object ball set up and approach.

If there is some other step that isn't being mentioned, please mention it. Perhaps no one is mentioning it because that step is a subconscious one. Your subconscious is repairing what isn't lining up after your visual and pivot. The only way you could convince a reasonable person of anything different is by telling him what other conscious steps not being mentioned are involved, if any.

Think whatever you want to. You obviously aren't here to learn the system. Just here to critique and troll that which you know very little about. If, on the outside chance you really do want to learn it, then first off, work on your reading comprehension. Several times you have asked me to state what I already stated. Second, get the DVD, or watch the free online videos of it. And then practice it diligently. Then come back and ask questions that make sense.
 
Part Two

The two set-ups are 30s in the CTE domain. They must be viewed with one's vision offset away from center cueball. The CTE line and the LCBE line to OBB can not be correctly seen with one's vision center directly behind CCB. The visuals for the two set/ups yield two differing repeatable alignments. Neil refers to these repeatable alignments as perspectives.
I have learned all of the details concerning the precise directions for setting up in order to experience this phenomena.
Stan Shuffett
 
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Your subconscious is repairing what isn't lining up after your visual and pivot. The only way you could convince a reasonable person of anything different is by telling him what other conscious steps not being mentioned are involved, if any.

(you probably don't want me on your 'side', and I wouldn't want you to think I was trolling you, but just in case you missed my earlier post... with new emphasis added...)

  1. You are absolutely correct... and,
  2. You will never, ever, get a satisfactory explanation that includes what you already know must be true.

- s.west
 
(you probably don't want me on your 'side', and I wouldn't want you to think I was trolling you, but just in case you missed my earlier post... with new emphasis added...)

  1. You are absolutely correct... and,
  2. You will never, ever, get a satisfactory explanation that includes what you already know must be true.

- s.west

You are one of the reasons that I do not share ALL on AZ.

Stan Shuffett
 
Why are you talking to me?

You indicated that a satisfactory explanation can not be given for how to arrive at the two alignments........Just setting the record straight that an explanation does exist with 2 to 1 to back it up at book release time.

Stan Shuffett
 
All right. All right. I'm sorry that I took it to the point where everyone's getting upset. Swest, yes I saw your post, and I appreciate that I'm not the only one who doesn't get it.
I am not understanding Stan's and Neil's explanations, but maybe it's just me. At some point, just to satisfy my own curiosity I'll probably buy the system. It is only a $45 risk after all. I think. I see there's a DVD 1 and DVD 2 that doesn't require DVD 1? And now Stan's writing a book? Is everything I would need to learn on DVD 2?
 
All right. All right. I'm sorry that I took it to the point where everyone's getting upset. Swest, yes I saw your post, and I appreciate that I'm not the only one who doesn't get it.
I am not understanding Stan's and Neil's explanations, but maybe it's just me. At some point, just to satisfy my own curiosity I'll probably buy the system. It is only a $45 risk after all. I think. I see there's a DVD 1 and DVD 2 that doesn't require DVD 1? And now Stan's writing a book? Is everything I would need to learn on DVD 2?

I agree with you also. There's NO WAY he is doing the exact same thing on both shots, not possible.

If he is adjusting, it's no different than any other way of aiming. Well, maybe more added bs that gets in the way of actually making balls.

10 years and still working on it??? Sounds like HAMB(hit a million balls) to me. Just sayin.

Jason

Watch video of Neil playing and you wont feel bad about disagreeing with him - the guys spouting off about CTE are him and Barton - we all know how that looks
 
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You indicated that a satisfactory explanation can not be given for how to arrive at the two alignments........Just setting the record straight that an explanation does exist with 2 to 1 to back it up at book release time.

Stan Shuffett

No. I indicated that a satisfactory explanation will not be given. Big difference... Just setting the record straight.

- s.west
 
All right. All right. I'm sorry that I took it to the point where everyone's getting upset.

You have legitimate questions. History (of this subject) has taught us that if one persists in asking such questions, then the "getting upset" outcome is the only one possible.

Swest, yes I saw your post, and I appreciate that I'm not the only one who doesn't get it.
I am not understanding Stan's and Neil's explanations, but maybe it's just me.
Rest assured that you are in good company.

At some point, just to satisfy my own curiosity I'll probably buy the system. It is only a $45 risk after all. I think. I see there's a DVD 1 and DVD 2 that doesn't require DVD 1? And now Stan's writing a book? Is everything I would need to learn on DVD 2?

It would appear that CTE is a journey, and not a destination. Good luck in your travels through the wondrous realm.

- s.west
 
No. I indicated that a satisfactory explanation will not be given. Big difference... Just setting the record straight.

- s.west

settingvthe record straight........the info will be shared in clinics, in my book and on YouTube. You can't stop it no matter how much you deny it.

Yes, CTE was a journey. I did not know everything about CTE at DVD 1 release nor did I know it all at DVD 2 release but I was closing in. Yes, there is a destination because CTE is actually a finite system. What is great now is that no one will ever have to go through what I have in order to learn the system.......Interested individuals can see exactly how alignments occur during any of my free clinics. The whole world will see what you call the inexplicable on YouTube as well.

Stan Shuffett
 
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settingvthe record straight........the info will be shared in clinics, in my book and on YouTube. You can't stop it no matter how much you deny it.

Yes, CTE was a journey. I did not know everything about CTE at DVD 1 release nor did I know it all at DVD 2 release but I was closing in. Yes, there is a destination because CTE is actually a finite system. What is great now is that no one will ever have to go through what I have in order to learn the system.......Interested individuals can see exactly how alignments occur during any of my free clinics. The whole world will see what you call the inexplicable on YouTube as well.

Stan Shuffett

How long till your book? I feel like I've been waiting forever. Really looking forward to it.
 
How long till your book? I feel like I've been waiting forever. Really looking forward to it.

Parts of all 38 chapters are complete. Overall, I may be 3/4s through not including diagrams and photography.
It is a way larger project than I ever imagined but that is Ok as time is an ally. Some health issues have slowed me down big time over the past 4 months. Hopefully I can soon put put that in the rear view mirror.

Stan Shuffett
 
I don't doubt it's a good system for getting someone close enough for finer adjustments. But the exact same approach to a shot cannot cover two different shot angles. Stevie said that the first and second shot were the exact same approach and pivot, yet the second shot went off at twice the angle of the first.

If after Stevie's set up we could freeze Stevie, freeze the cue ball and freeze the object ball, but then move the table with its pockets from shot 1 to shot 2 you'd see that what you are claiming is impossible.

I don't have any doubts that the system works for many of you, only how it works for you. There are too many shotlines for the system to get you to all of them by itself. You are adjusting.


The Approach is the same. He follows the same steps, and the pivots are always done by the same amount. And the shot line is not a rough estimate, it is very precisely center pocket for a wide variety of shots, within each category

I understand how logically one could assume that the user must subconsciously make small adjustments somewhere along the line. That's really not true.

HOWEVER, when you follow the steps for lining up edge-to-A and center-to-edge (for example), you're lining up a fixed point to a fixed point and a fixed point to a fixed point, the same way every time, But you will get slightly different offsets depending on the shot.

Why that is, I don't know. But it's not some diabolical system that's just making you do a 30 degree half ball hit every time, and that's rough enough to make a lot of shots, and for anything close to 30, you kinda just fudge it up to make it work, or god forbid, pivot trying to increase or decrease the amount of pivot in order to make the ball (That would be insane).

You apply the steps to obtain the visuals for that specific category. Depending on whatever higher power, it'll give you an offset that is unique to that specific shot and slightly different to other shots that are like it. And then you pivot by the exact same amount you'd pivot for any of the other shots between straight-in and 60 degrees.

But no one is denying that there is variation. It's just not subconscious, and it happens in the process of lining up edge-to-A,B,C and center-to-edge. We can tell that we're aimed slightly thicker/thinner even though we're following the same steps.

Why the variation occurs when you're lining up the same two points on both the OB and CB is something I feel like I haven't heard an answer for that I would consider satisfactory for public use.

It honestly does occur, I don't know why it occurs, and I have only my word, which is absolutely not valid proof in any sense of the word.

I remember asking the exact same questions that you were and I never came up with a good enough answer. I just gave up trying to figure out why it works, and focusing on learning it.
 
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Maybe this experiment will help. I'm using a manual pivot in the example, the visuals are ETC with a right pivot. Use a cue ball that has a spot on it or put a chalk mark on the cue ball. Set up a straight in shot. After you get the visual rotate the cue ball until the spot is on the 'equator' and it marks the place where you place the cue tip pre-pivot. Be exact as possible. The mark should be 'just' visible on the left side of the cue ball.

With everything set up, get your ETC visual. Without moving your body tap the object ball a little bit with your cue stick to set up a slight cut to the right. To get the same visual on the cut shot you'll have to twist your body counter clockwise a bit. As you twist to obtain the visual, the spot on the edge of the cue ball 'rotates' toward the back of the cue ball and disappears. Depending on how many degrees you have to rotate your body, the spot will rotate the same relative amount. This presents a new spot (or angle) to place your tip pre-pivot. Now the same 90* pivot will give a different cut angle on the shot.
 
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