New game to help with safes.

Willowbrook Wolfy

Willowbrook Wolfy

Going pro
I’m working on a new game more tilted towards building a safety attack. Tell me what you think.

1. Rack all 15 random

2. Break. if any go in you keep shooting

3. Gameplay is like 9 ball with a few twists

4. You don’t start with the 1 ball. You start with the first ball pocketed. If the first ball pocketed is the 10 next ball is the 11 last ball is the 9.

5. If you make “money ball” early. The ball stays down and table is open. If you call safe and make it, ball is spotted.

6. If safing you need to call safety hit next numbered ball and a rail after. Safe should be called before any shot that you don’t intend to make a ball on. 3 foul rule is in effect.

7. Not pocketing a ball is considered a foul unless declaring safe prior to your shot. Slop counts as long as hit correct ball first. Any foul gives opponent BIH.

8. Any ball pocketed when safety is declared is spotted.

9. Each player is allowed 1 push/rollout at any time during game. 2 pushes can’t be played consecutively.

9. Have fun!
 
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Making up new games can be dificil. I came up with a version of 8 ball I called Even 8 Ball. I liked it and had forgotten about it until now.

If you make multiple balls on the break which do you go off of or is it a choice based on what the table looks like?

I’d have to play through a bunch of times to see what other questions come up but it seems kinda cool. It reminds me (in a way) of this solitaire card game called Canfield. It’s the best way to play solitaire. Instead of building your 4 stacks on the aces you flip a card face up after the ‘deal’ and whatever card that is is what you build off of for each suite.
 
Why the constant need to change games/rules? The games we play now have stood the test of time for multiple reasons. I just don't see the need to constantly change/alter either a specific game or rule(s).
 
JazzyJeff87 said:
Making up new games can be dificil. I came up with a version of 8 ball I called Even 8 Ball. I liked it and had forgotten about it until now.

If you make multiple balls on the break which do you go off of or is it a choice based on what the table looks like?

I’d have to play through a bunch of times to see what other questions come up but it seems kinda cool. It reminds me (in a way) of this solitaire card game called Canfield. It’s the best way to play solitaire. Instead of building your 4 stacks on the aces you flip a card face up after the ‘deal’ and whatever card that is is what you build off of for each suite.
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Anybody remember 7ball?? That supposed be the greatest thing since bottled beer. It fell as flat as stale Old Milwaukee.
 
This reminded me of 7 ball. BIH for missing unless you called safe, which you only could do once a rack. At least in one version of 7 ball I saw on espn

Someone sometime made up a game called one pocket that was likely scorned by Egyptian royalty or whoever but it’s still kickin.

This doesn’t look to be the next one P and maybe the naturally good games have already been discovered but I don’t mind people trying
 
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Just curious, but how is this game going to make you shoot more safeties than normally ?
 
JazzyJeff87 said:
This reminded me of 7 ball. BIH for missing unless you called safe, which you only could do once a rack. At least in one version of 7 ball I saw on espn

Someone sometime made up a game called one pocket that was likely scorned by Egyptian royalty or whoever but it’s still kickin.

This doesn’t look to be the next one P but and maybe the naturally good games have already been discovered but I don’t mind people trying
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1p was invented by Hayden Lingo in OkCity. It quickly became the greatest gambling/moving/strategy game ever invented. The rules to it are as simple as the game is complex. The game described by the OP just seems pointless. My $.02 here, nothing more.
 
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ChicagoRJ said:
Just curious, but how is this game going to make you shoot more safeties than normally ?
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For one. How many people can run fifteen balls in numerical order without missing?

If you miss a shot it’s a foul and BIH. So on any difficult shot you probably want to play a safety.

Having 15 balls gives more blockers. If someone 3 fouls they lose.

Plus any ball pocketed on a called safe gets spotted which adds a situation where you can utilize that to safe your opponent.

As I stated to start. this game is meant to improve people’s safeties. It’s more a game of 3 fouling your opponent rather than sinking 15 balls. Even if going for the 15 balls, an average shooter will need to safe at least 2-3 times or lose.

Garczar. Tell me one tried and true game that focuses on safeties rather than making balls. You have one pocket which is an even split but only really utilizes half the table. When is the last time someone was 3 fouled on one pocket?
 
Konrad said:
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For one. How many people can run fifteen balls in numerical order without missing?

If you miss a shot it’s a foul and BIH. So on any difficult shot you probably want to play a safety.

Having 15 balls gives more blockers. If someone 3 fouls they lose.

Plus any ball pocketed on a called safe gets spotted which adds a situation where you can utilize that to safe your opponent.

As I stated to start. this game is meant to improve people’s safeties. It’s more a game of 3 fouling your opponent rather than sinking 15 balls. Even if going for the 15 balls, an average shooter will need to safe at least 2-3 times or lose.

Garczar. Tell me one tried and true game that focuses on safeties rather than making balls. You have one pocket which is an even split but only really utilizes half the table. When is the last time someone was 3 fouled on one pocket?
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I hate the 3foul to start with. Its only needed to speed-up a tournament. I have seen people 3-fouled at the 1p tournament in Olathe. Its rare but it happens. To play a game whose main intent is 3fouling someone sounds boring as hell. Much better idea imo:
 
garczar said:
Anybody remember 7ball?? That supposed be the greatest thing since bottled beer. It fell as flat as stale Old Milwaukee.
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The 7 ball game that had the golden era pros playing it was great. After break the non breaker chose a side of the table. The 7 had to go into your side to win. 7 ball played like 9 ball is fairly boring and only suitable if there are a lot of players waiting for a turn at your house or something.
 
JazzyJeff87 said:
Making up new games can be dificil. I came up with a version of 8 ball I called Even 8 Ball. I liked it and had forgotten about it until now.

If you make multiple balls on the break which do you go off of or is it a choice based on what the table looks like?
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If you make a ball on the break it stays down and you keep shooting. I guess that wasn’t stated clearly enough. The first ball pocketed after the break starts the numbers. The break is just to start the game. If you make a ball or more on the break you keep shooting. The break doesn’t dictate the order. Your next shot dictates the order as long as you pocket a ball.
 
garczar said:
I hate the 3foul to start with. Its only needed to speed-up a tournament. I have seen people 3-fouled at the 1p tournament in Olathe. Its rare but it happens. To play a game whose main intent is 3fouling someone sounds boring as hell. Much better idea imo:
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Dude me too! Playing safe is boring as all hell and probably why a lot of us aren’t as good as we could be. Even like 4 in a row in a game of 9 ball makes you want to strangle the other guy! This way you know what you are getting into beforehand. Let there be safes!

Now I just see an instructor having kids not come back after……but this is something for players who want to get better.
 
Konrad said:
Dude me too! Playing safe is boring as all hell and probably why a lot of us aren’t as good as we could be. Even like 4 in a row in a game of 9 ball makes you want to strangle the other guy! This way you know what you are getting into beforehand. Let there be safes!

Now I just see an instructor having kids not come back after……but this is something for players who want to get better.
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3foul rule imo is totally un-needed. It does come up but rarely. Supposed to speed up tournaments but i don't think it does at all. Never seen anyone gambling play 3foul. Ever. Not saying they don't but i've never seen it. Kicking and playing safe isn't rocket-science. Takes some knowledge and a little practice. The Filipino's take it to a whole other level. But hey, playing pool is ALL those guys do.
 
garczar said:
Why the constant need to change games/rules? The games we play now have stood the test of time for multiple reasons. I just don't see the need to constantly change/alter either a specific game or rule(s).
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10 ball is new.
9 ball of today is not the original game of 9 ball.
8 ball has variations such as bank the 8 and last pocket.

Things change, enjoy the variety. Not everyone wants to play straight pool all the time.
 
Konrad said:
Garczar. Tell me one tried and true game that focuses on safeties rather than making balls. You have one pocket which is an even split but only really utilizes half the table. When is the last time someone was 3 fouled on one pocket?
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I’d have to add that 1P really focuses on safety play. Basically every shot is a safe, or at least a shot where you’re controlling CB and 1+ object balls, often without shooting for your pocket.

The underlying safety strategy in 1P is completely different than a rotation based game but the ball control you have to manage on each shot will put gigabytes of data into your subconscious.

Have you checked out Rotacion? It is a very good game and it’s what the greatest players come up on. There’s a lot going on in this game
 
Btw. Did anyone notice the offensive strategy thats added in there? If you make the money ball by combo, caram, etc. the table is once again open? I left some offensive in play. You can pretty much combo multiple “money balls” in in one run if possible.(don’t miss it) Plus the 1 roll out….
JazzyJeff87 said:
Have you checked out Rotacion? It is a very good game and it’s what the greatest players come up on. There’s a lot going on in this game
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Will do Jazzy.
 
JazzyJeff87 said:
I’d have to add that 1P really focuses on safety play. Basically every shot is a safe, or at least a shot where you’re controlling CB and 1+ object balls, often without shooting for your pocket.

The underlying safety strategy in 1P is completely different than a rotation based game but the ball control you have to manage on each shot will put gigabytes of data into your subconscious.

Have you checked out Rotacion? It is a very good game and it’s what the greatest players come up on. There’s a lot going on in this game
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Not any more. Old-school 1p maybe but not the way its played today. Current top 1p players are WAY more focused on offense. Defense is still there no doubt but the old game of 'make a shot and hide' are over.
 
True, I was thinking more of my level of play lol. I get tons of safety and multiple ball control practice when I’m trying to play well.

I try to chohan it up too and have achieved marginal success from time to time.
 
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