To each their own. I understand what you are saying. No offense, but, the tournament conditions have nothing to do with you. I understand how that could make people upset, but, that situation does not apply to you or most people.
True, I'm not a target customer but you are kidding yourself if you think potential buyers weren't turned off by the inconsistent play during streamed events.
True, it was/is their tour but they did fail their customers: professional players who payed an entry fee under the auspice of professional tournament conditions which they did not receive. At this point, we cannot speak to a Predator home table because, as far as I know, it isn't for sale to the general public yet. All we have to go by is what we've witnessed during streamed events or if you live in the Sacramento area and can visit Oscar's room. At the end of the day, the table was designed, engineered and intended to be quickly carted and set up for multiple professional tournaments. They failed at this regardless if they owned it or not. I'm sure if the table was setup by a qualified mechanic in a commercial environment or a home environment with the intent of not moving it, it would play just fine. Selling to this market was a by product of a successful rollout in their events. A race on Sunday, sell on Monday mentality if you will.
This is a bit of a loaded question. If the table isn't available the only mechanics that have experience working on them would be the folks setting them up for the Predator events and Ernesto. As such, the only players that have played on one would be those that participated in said events and a handful of patrons of Hard Times Sacramento. Jayson Shaw played on one and he forfeited a match. Other professional players that played on one had less than favorable things to say about it. The table at Oscar's place may play lights out.
I have not yet either.
There was no "intent" of not delivering. That makes a huge difference. They admitted fault and vowed to fix the issues.
Flat and level are two very different things.
Not true, they were testing it on their own tour... Like I said, this is not he first time this happened. Diamond also had problems with the red labels for over a decade. There were many complaints about the Rasson table in the beginning and look at them now, used in some of the biggest tournaments in the world. The Rasson Ox is an excellent pol table: I researched them for a long time, have played on one and inspected it. Predator is also a part of Matchroom as well. I think that relationship shows TRUST between the biggest pool promoter in the world and the newest table brand out there. It will all sort out. There is a tournament this month
You are being a bit harsh, I am done going back and forth with you. You are way off topic: you have not played on one or worked on one, That is the topic at hand. You have stated your opinion. I am a Brunswick guy myself, I hope they get back in the game. I just like seeing new things happening and the possibilities of pool turning into a REAL and organized sport. I dont sell their products.
Whether you like RKC or not his experiences of jacking with SAM tables are real. He got to the point where he wouldn't even touch one. I've only seen one opened up and it looked like a pandora's box of nuts/bolts/washers. The mechanic doing the work said once he got it set-up he was DONE and not to call him again. They play ok if set right, same as any table. Getting them that way can be a nightmare.
I respect your opinion and also RKC's knowledge(even though I do not associate with him anymore) But, 20 year old data means very little to me. Businesses learn and grow. I know this because I know where I started 10 years ago and how much I have learned and grown. Having Predator asking for specifics based on the current standards: means change. They must have CSI, Seyberts and Matchroom convinced they can come forth with a good product. That and the HOPE for change enough for me . Like I said, I aint making no scratch $$$ off any of this. I am a player and hopeful for change in our industry and our game to become a legit sport.
Talk to Ernesto D. The Pred's are nothing but Ksteels with different trim. Internals are same as the SAM KSteel table. A friend that lives in Az played the Pred event out there. He told me none of the tables played alike. TONS of complaints from plenty of TOP players. Change don't mean s^&t if its a inferior product being rammed down your throat. Ever wonder why Pred went with SAM? Just my guess here but it likely had to do with two things: price of course and availability. SAM tables aren't a household name and they were able to deliver on time. I doubt i'll ever hit a ball on one and for that i'm grateful.
