Cue Tip Compression

cueball2010

cueball2010

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What exactly is the difference between soft, medium, and hard layered tips? When makers/brands mass produce these tips are they using different hardness leather layers? Or do they just use the same leather for all of the hardness offerings and just compress them into different hardness specifications at the factory?

Can you take a medium hardness leather tip and compress it into a hard, and have the exact same thing as if you bought the hard layered tip to begin with?
 
good question but i have a better one


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It is about how the leather is treated.
Cole used water buffalo but only one Master maker knew how to do it. So waterbuffalo tips are more of a crap shoot now.
 
fastone371 said:
Can layered tips be pressed and milked like a milk dud?

Maybe AZB needs an "Ask the Tip Maker" section??
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The problem with layered tips is the glue layer. As the tip wears the glue is at the point of contact at times. This changes the tip / ball interaction. Fly specks on whitey is evidence of the glue layer leaving the tip. The lost traction could be the fraction that caused a miss. 🤷‍♂️ Triangle is my go to tip.
 
gregcantrall said:
The problem with layered tips is the glue layer. As the tip wears the glue is at the point of contact at times. This changes the tip / ball interaction. Fly specks on whitey is evidence of the glue layer leaving the tip. The lost traction could be the fraction that caused a miss. 🤷‍♂️ Triangle is my go to tip.
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This is a total non-starter. I've never miscued due to glue lines. MILLIONS of players use them with ZERO issues.
 
garczar said:
This is a total non-starter. I've never miscued due to glue lines. MILLIONS of players use them with ZERO issues.
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It's not a misscue it's a change in traction. Just a fraction. Some can live with it . I choose not to add glue globs to the cue ball. That's All. 🤷‍♂️
 
cueball2010 said:
What exactly is the difference between soft, medium, and hard layered tips? When makers/brands mass produce these tips are they using different hardness leather layers? Or do they just use the same leather for all of the hardness offerings and just compress them into different hardness specifications at the factory?

Can you take a medium hardness leather tip and compress it into a hard, and have the exact same thing as if you bought the hard layered tip to begin with?
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Curious....
Are you trying to achieve a specific hit or feel or????
 
People MisCue for many reasons.

Improper Chalking Technique.

Tip is like Baby's Backside, and will not hold Chalk.

Extreme English, and they Miscue.

Elevate Cue angle, and they Miscue for all reasons above.

JMHO
 
gregcantrall said:
The problem with layered tips is the glue layer. As the tip wears the glue is at the point of contact at times. This changes the tip / ball interaction. Fly specks on whitey is evidence of the glue layer leaving the tip. The lost traction could be the fraction that caused a miss. 🤷‍♂️ Triangle is my go to tip.
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While I have noticed this, it is only when the glue line is close to the edge of the tip that it really matters.
So, when I do tip-maintenance, I just make sure the glue line is not close to the edge.
{{A dime radius helps here over a nickel radius}}
 
cueball2010 said:
I want to know if i take my Ultraskin medium and compress it if it will replicate the feel, hit ,and chalk adhesion of a Ultraskin hard.

I want a hard playing tip put on my playing cue.
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ok,
I am an exclusive ultra skin tip user...for years.
I have installed 50 or more different brand tips on my cues personally-
always go back to ultra skin BLACK, Hard.
The medium black seems to be to me, MEDIUM....
I did try pressing the medium, but no good results.
I recommend ...Use the Hard tip....
maybe have it cut down a couple layers and stay with that.
 
Tip compression is something that keeps me awake for weeks on end, destroying quality of my life.


NOT.🤣😰🤯

People who can’t run 6 balls worry about stuff they need not worry about.

Learn, People MisCue for many reasons.

Improper Chalking Technique. Yes some people can not Chslk properly.🤯🤣

Tip is like Baby's Backside, and will not hold Chalk.

Extreme English, and they Miscue.

Elevate Cue angle, and they Miscue for all reasons above.

JMHO
 
cueball2010 said:
What exactly is the difference between soft, medium, and hard layered tips? When makers/brands mass produce these tips are they using different hardness leather layers? Or do they just use the same leather for all of the hardness offerings and just compress them into different hardness specifications at the factory?

Can you take a medium hardness leather tip and compress it into a hard, and have the exact same thing as if you bought the hard layered tip to begin with?
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Just getting back into pool about 3 years ago so much has changed, I swore I would never buy a CF shaft, I didn't lie....sorta....I own a complete CF cue made by Becue, I love the way the cue plays so much I wondered if someone would invent a rubber tip or something like it, I learned that a rubber tip would be illegal as it's not a fibrous material, Bulletproof tips came out with the Recoil tip, made of complete synthetic man-made material, the problem with leather tips is they are made from animal hide, you will never get consistent skin, I think that's why sometimes the tip is great and sometimes not so much, the same thing you get when using wood, I have 3 shafts with the Recoil tip on them and they play the same, if a tip popped off during a match I could spin on my spare shaft and not have to think about how this shaft plays compared to my main shaft, a consistent proper stroke will help make you a better pool player, my Becue cue and Bulletproof Recoil tips help me play more consistently, that, and a lot of practice.
 
Duane Remick said:
ok,
I am an exclusive ultra skin tip user...for years.
I have installed 50 or more different brand tips on my cues personally-
always go back to ultra skin BLACK, Hard.
The medium black seems to be to me, MEDIUM....
I did try pressing the medium, but no good results.
I recommend ...Use the Hard tip....
maybe have it cut down a couple layers and stay with that.
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cueball2010 said:
I want to know if i take my Ultraskin medium and compress it if it will replicate the feel, hit ,and chalk adhesion of a Ultraskin hard.

I want a hard playing tip put on my playing cue.
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I tried the ultraskin hard, for me it was the worst tip ever...
 
gregcantrall said:
It is about how the leather is treated.
Cole used water buffalo but only one Master maker knew how to do it. So waterbuffalo tips are more of a crap shoot now.
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I just cut off a crappy one. Broke my heart to do it, but the thing hit lousy.
And I've always liked Wet Beefalos. 😂 Much thicker than standard tips were back in the day.
 
Mensabum said:
back in the day.
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Le Pro was the go to tip back in the day. Taking a oversize tip and removing leather from the perimeter was a way to get a solid tip. They were often flaky around the perimeter. A 15 mm tip milled down to 13 was a solution.
Roger would bite them to find a good one. Not sure his rejection rate but he would always hook me up with a good one.
 
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