Cortland Linen Wrap

[cuehobby]

Just wondering if anyone has gotten a cortland wrap installed lately and how much did it cost (of course it will depend on who installs it too)?
Just trying to get a idea, pricewise, and if it's a better option over irish linen.
You can just PM me if you don't feel like posting.
Thanks in advance.

 

[mikemosconi]

I recently bought a cue with Cortland linen wrap already installed- and, yes, I like it a lot- the feel that is. As for it being a better option over a normal linen wrap of today- that is a question that will get you many different answers. I will say here that all of my re wraps in linen over the past 5 years have been done by Troy Downey of Muellers- My wraps done by Troy Downey and the wraps on cues that I have owned by Michael Capone are just so well executed that I personally would not go out of my way for a Cortland wrap- just my opinion.

Now, if one is creating a cue or refurbishing a cue in the 1960s / 70s style- I fully understand the desire to have everything on the cue look and feel period correct- so in that case I may pay for the Cortland.

 

[wakuljr]

Cortland isnt made anymore. Just went thru that with Cary(Dark Horse custom cues) he found enough for my 2 cue but it was gonna be $500 more, he wasnt upcharging on it.

 

[ideologist]

Just wondering if anyone has gotten a cortland wrap installed lately and how much did it cost (of course it will depend on who installs it too)?
Just trying to get a idea, pricewise, and if it's a better option over irish linen.
You can just PM me if you don't feel like posting.
Thanks in advance.

You need to supply your own in almost every case. Most cuemakers who say they have it are wrong (or outright lying), make them show you the linen on the spool.

Expect to pay $150+ for a single wrap length

 

[cuehobby]

You need to supply your own in almost every case. Most cuemakers who say they have it are wrong (or outright lying), make them show you the linen on the spool.

Expect to pay $150+ for a single wrap length

I was quoted $250 and they supply the material.
Is there a difference in price between the solid cream vs the one with green spec?

 

[ideologist]

I was quoted $250 and they supply the material.
Is there a difference in price between the solid cream vs the one with green spec?

PM me if you want, $250 installed is about the cheapest you'll find from a cuemaker. I'm curious to know the details since a bunch of cuemaker have been suckered with Blue Mountain linen and charging like it is Cortland

Solid cream is cheaper, I have a bunch of cream cuttyhunk line that I would sell for $25 per 50 yards

 

[hang-the-9]

Is it even worth doing on a new cue? I would have thought it would be used to make an older cue restoration correct vs new use. I don't see how much better it can be than anything available now past just the idea of having it, like ivory inlays.

 

[bbb]

Is it even worth doing on a new cue? I would have thought it would be used to make an older cue restoration correct vs new use. I don't see how much better it can be than anything available now past just the idea of having it, like ivory inlays.

my understanding is there is nothing now available that compares to the feel and durability of cortland
icbw

 

[Bavafongoul]

Cortland linen fishing line is very different. It was made using the best flax from Ireland and the thread
was manually twisted by machine but run through the fingers of the machine operators. The reason was
so that any irregularities in the line could be detected, intercepted by the operator stopping the machine
and splicing in new linen to keep the diameter and test lb. strength consistent. It was the best linen used
by the best cue makers, most notably George Bakabushka. Cortland linen #9 was his favorite wrap to use.

The thing about Cortland is how well it ages. My Runde Schon was completed in 1985 and the Cortland
wrap is still is amazing condition. I have one 50 yard spool of brown speck that I was intending to use for
another custom but that failed to materialize due to enactment of the ivory ban. Folks that contend that the
linen wraps today are every bit as good as Cortland Linen are just trying to convince themselves and others
because they can’t get their hands on any more Cortland. And if you do, it costs a lot more than other wraps.

Here’s some pics of my Cortland linen wraps on my custom cues. It is my favorite pool cue wrap and if you
have it on any of your cues you will know what I mean and why. The only reason why a couple of my cues use
leather as the wrap is because I couldn’t find any black speck Cortland and I offered a reward if anyone could
refer me to a source. I paid $200 for 50 yards for a cue Jerry Rauenzahn was making for me. He had to discard
it because it was in such bad shape and he couldn’t use it so he ultimately located some CL #9 as a substitute.

Cortland is in a category that distinguishes it from other linen wraps. It isn’t made any longer, extremely scarce
and should last a lifetime when properly cared for. My Schon’s wrap was installed in 1985 and still in great shape.

 

[silverice]

Cortland linen fishing line is very different. It was made using the best flax from Ireland and the thread
was manually twisted by machine but run through the fingers of the machine operators. The reason was
so that any irregularities in the line could be detected, intercepted by the operator stopping the machine
and splicing in new linen to keep the diameter and test lb. strength consistent. It was the best linen used
by the best cue makers, most notably George Bakabushka. Cortland linen #9 was his favorite wrap to use.

The thing about Cortland is how well it ages. My Runde Schon was completed in 1985 and the Cortland
wrap is still is amazing condition. I have one 50 yard spool of brown speck that I was intending to use for
another custom but that failed to materialize due to enactment of the ivory ban. Folks that contend that the
linen wraps today are every bit as good as Cortland Linen are just trying to convince themselves and others
because they can’t get their hands on any more Cortland. And if you do, it costs a lot more than other wraps.

Here’s some pics of my Cortland linen wraps on my custom cues. It is my favorite pool cue wrap and if you
have it on any of your cues you will know what I mean and why. The only reason why a couple of my cues use
leather as the wrap is because I couldn’t find any black speck Cortland and I offered a reward if anyone could
refer me to a source. I paid $200 for 50 yards for a cue Jerry Rauenzahn was making for me. He had to discard
it because it was in such bad shape and he couldn’t use it so he ultimately located some CL #9 as a substitute.

Cortland is in a category that distinguishes it from other linen wraps. It isn’t made any longer, extremely scarce
and should last a lifetime when properly cared for. My Schon’s wrap was installed in 1985 and still in great shape.

How many strands of [inen are in CL# 9 and what lenght does it take to wrap a cue?

 

[jokrswylde]

Pechauer cues told me a year or so ago that when they stopped making the Cortland, they bought all the remaining stock from all their suppliers. They charged 120 bucks for the classic beige with green speckles...fwiw

 

[Bavafongoul]

How many strands of [inen are in CL# 9 and what lenght does it take to wrap a cue?

50 yards is the amount needed to wrap a pool cue.
Cortland Linen #9 had a 27 lb. test (3 lb per strand).

It was the way it was twisted that made it so uniform
and consistent in line diameter so it truly feels the best.

 

[Bavafongoul]

Pechauer cues told me a year or so ago that when they stopped making the Cortland, they bought all the remaining stock from all their suppliers. They charged 120 bucks for the classic beige with green speckles...fwiw

I paid that much from Pechauer (Steve) and that was 7 years ago.
At that time they were intending to stop selling it and keep the CL
for special order and anniversary cues because it’s so irreplaceable.

 

[Chili Palmer]

Cortland linen fishing line is very different. It was made using the best flax from Ireland and the thread
was manually twisted by machine but run through the fingers of the machine operators. The reason was
so that any irregularities in the line could be detected, intercepted by the operator stopping the machine
and splicing in new linen to keep the diameter and test lb. strength consistent. It was the best linen used
by the best cue makers, most notably George Bakabushka. Cortland linen #9 was his favorite wrap to use.

The thing about Cortland is how well it ages. My Runde Schon was completed in 1985 and the Cortland
wrap is still is amazing condition. I have one 50 yard spool of brown speck that I was intending to use for
another custom but that failed to materialize due to enactment of the ivory ban. Folks that contend that the
linen wraps today are every bit as good as Cortland Linen are just trying to convince themselves and others
because they can’t get their hands on any more Cortland. And if you do, it costs a lot more than other wraps.

Here’s some pics of my Cortland linen wraps on my custom cues. It is my favorite pool cue wrap and if you
have it on any of your cues you will know what I mean and why. The only reason why a couple of my cues use
leather as the wrap is because I couldn’t find any black speck Cortland and I offered a reward if anyone could
refer me to a source. I paid $200 for 50 yards for a cue Jerry Rauenzahn was making for me. He had to discard
it because it was in such bad shape and he couldn’t use it so he ultimately located some CL #9 as a substitute.

Cortland is in a category that distinguishes it from other linen wraps. It isn’t made any longer, extremely scarce
and should last a lifetime when properly cared for. My Schon’s wrap was installed in 1985 and still in great shape.

Well put. I have 2 old Hueblers with the original Cortland and love them. It's hard to find a current material that get anywhere close to Cortland.

 

[Nyquil]

Cortland linen fishing line is very different. It was made using the best flax from Ireland and the thread
was manually twisted by machine but run through the fingers of the machine operators. The reason was
so that any irregularities in the line could be detected, intercepted by the operator stopping the machine
and splicing in new linen to keep the diameter and test lb. strength consistent. It was the best linen used
by the best cue makers, most notably George Bakabushka. Cortland linen #9 was his favorite wrap to use.

The thing about Cortland is how well it ages. My Runde Schon was completed in 1985 and the Cortland
wrap is still is amazing condition. I have one 50 yard spool of brown speck that I was intending to use for
another custom but that failed to materialize due to enactment of the ivory ban. Folks that contend that the
linen wraps today are every bit as good as Cortland Linen are just trying to convince themselves and others
because they can’t get their hands on any more Cortland. And if you do, it costs a lot more than other wraps.

Here’s some pics of my Cortland linen wraps on my custom cues. It is my favorite pool cue wrap and if you
have it on any of your cues you will know what I mean and why. The only reason why a couple of my cues use
leather as the wrap is because I couldn’t find any black speck Cortland and I offered a reward if anyone could
refer me to a source. I paid $200 for 50 yards for a cue Jerry Rauenzahn was making for me. He had to discard
it because it was in such bad shape and he couldn’t use it so he ultimately located some CL #9 as a substitute.

Cortland is in a category that distinguishes it from other linen wraps. It isn’t made any longer, extremely scarce
and should last a lifetime when properly cared for. My Schon’s wrap was installed in 1985 and still in great shape.

Any of those cues for sale?

 

[hang-the-9]

What is the hard thing about creating a similar product? Can't be that hard, is it just the demand for the costlier process not there? Is the materials used illegal now or something because it causes cancer in mice? LOL

 

[Fatboy]

Well put. I have 2 old Hueblers with the original Cortland and love them. It's hard to find a current material that get anywhere close to Cortland.

Best wrap ever, can’t be topped.

 

[spktur]

What is the hard thing about creating a similar product? Can't be that hard, is it just the demand for the costlier process not there? Is the materials used illegal now or something because it causes cancer in mice? LOL

It was a fishing line for fly fishing and was replaced by synthetic materials which were actually better and cheaper for fishing. I doubt the pool cue wrap business and model boat rigging business is enough to support a manufacturer.

 

[Bavafongoul]

Any of those cues for sale?

I’ve thought about it but then I just probably go and replace the cue.
And the only cue I’d be interested in getting is a Hercek. I’ve pretty
much given up hope of finding what I am looking for after searching
in vain for way too many years which is how come I kept ordering
more cues to be built. 4 of the 6 cues in the photos were built using
identical specifications and were my personal designs. And the TS
and EP are really scarce cues that are too hard to attempt replacing.

I have 4 children & 8 cues so it’s an even number that divides nicely.
By coincidence, I own 15 guns so I’m trying to figure out which one
I should get next. I mean 4 into 15 doesn’t quite work and I’ve been
thinking about acquiring a Springfield M1A Tanker (.308). Somehow
it always comes down to adding more to round up since the thought
of rounding down to an even number has never come to mind. Must
be a guy thing or it may really just be me. More seems better than less.

 

[Nyquil]

I’ve thought about it but then I just probably go and replace the cue.
And the only cue I’d be interested in getting is a Hercek. I’ve pretty
much given up hope of finding what I am looking for after searching
in vain for way too many years which is how come I kept ordering
more cues to be built. 4 of the 6 cues in the photos were built using
identical specifications and were my personal designs. And the TS
and EP are really scarce cues that are too hard to attempt replacing.

I have 4 children & 8 cues so it’s an even number that divides nicely.
By coincidence, I own 15 guns so I’m trying to figure out which one
I should get next. I mean 4 into 15 doesn’t quite work and I’ve been
thinking about acquiring a Springfield M1A Tanker (.308). Somehow
it always comes down to adding more to round up since the thought
of rounding down to an even number has never come to mind. Must
be a guy thing or it may really just be me. More seems better than less.

More is always better ha ha. Well nice looking cues you have there. In regards to a tanker if you can find one at the right price that it's in good condition send it. I got out of buying guns after the Trump slump. I miss those times. Buying Ar's like Colt, LMT, KAC are all money in the bank.