Working with tips

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Brother Ron

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Years ago I used to buy Elkmaster tips and work them up with a pliers until they were spongy before putting them on my cue.
They almost had the feel of using a rubber tip and the amount of spin I could produce on the cue ball was crazy...
especially when doing masse shots.
 
Brother Ron said:
Years ago I used to buy Elkmaster tips and work them up with a pliers until they were spongy before putting them on my cue.
They almost had the feel of using a rubber tip and the amount of spin I could produce on the cue ball was crazy...
especially when doing masse shots.
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Spin comes from maximum tip offset without miscuing. A spongy tip like that won't increase useful spin. A small diameter well shaped/scuffed hard tip will give insane amounts of spin.
 
I love to load the ball with juice,

To see it dance and spin.

I sometimes get 9 rails.

It helps me get a win.



I spin it hard with outside

On every hanging ball

It glides along the rails

To see what else will fall.



Mike Massey once was watching

I could tell he was impressed

My 29 ounce cue and me

Was put to every test.



Whitey every now and then

Will loft into the air

And on a nearby table

It will land with reckless care.



My powerful big stroke

Isn’t welcome at the hall.

I left to many cue ball dents

All across the wall.



I want to join the league

And show the guys my stuff

But the guy in charge of APA

Said I really was too much.



Cliff 10/25/14
 
In the past when I was much younger I played with Le Pro tips on my cues , I still have one on my break cue that I use now but a Techno dud on one cue and G2 medium tips on both shafts for my main playing cue and I'm happy with the english I can transfer to the object ball with them .
 
I've replaced several tips with Medium's from Tiger: Everest and Sniper. Both times the customer response where positive. Spin is not something that dramatically changes from a tip change generally. Sound and feedback (feel) does change subjectively. I replaced my kamui soft on my viking siege with elk master as an experiment as I felt confident I'd be able to adjust. Sounded and felt different for sure, but my game didn't change including spinning for position play. I won't be sticking with the elk master though as the durability isn't good. Also, when gluing them the superglue bonds almost immediately with no working time, so aligning the tip is critical to get it right the first time. Made that mistake on my first install, on my son's cue and I just left it messed up cause he only has one speed anyway, SMASH! The Tiger tips have a bottom colored layer that gives you 10-30 seconds of fiddling to get everything lined up right. I shape, and burnish the elk 3x as often the amount as the Everest. Price wise can't beat'em but layered tips are just miles ahead for consistency and durability.
 
I really don't understand how anyone could get more spin with a soft tip that is effectively acting as a cushion compared to a hard tip. I don't know if anyone here has ever had a layered tip delaminate on them or any kind of tip that has started to come unglued. But, in my experience, it's damn near impossible to get any kind of spin on the ball with either of those. And while I understand that the delamination and ungluing comparison is an exaggeration of a soft tip, I'd have to think it's still in the same realm. I mean we're still talking about energy transfer or lack thereof.

Take that however you'd like, though, because I don't understand a lot of things.
 
Delamination of a layered tip can happen if the tip is overheated when turning it down on a lathe or from sanding and roughing the tip up from outside to center instead of the center towards the outside... just to name a couple.
 
Brother Ron said:
Delamination of a layered tip can happen if the tip is overheated when turning it down on a lathe or from sanding and roughing the tip up from outside to center instead of the center towards the outside... just to name a couple.
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I get how it happens. I'm just saying that once that tip gets a gap between two of its layers, it basically becomes a shock absorber. And getting any normal amount of spin on the cue ball becomes almost impossible. At least that's what I've noticed.
 
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