Mark Tad?

[hello]

Ok, now we ''know'' how Tadd was able to produce his run ;-)

But how do you know all this?? Are you a pool historian or did AI assist..?

I would agree that Mark Tadd's elite status shined during a very brief window of time but it did shine bright. Look up the LA OPEN I believe it was. Mark beat the best in the world in multiple disciplines. I just don't think his heart was in tournament play. I would ask that you search the forum for threads on Mark Tadd, and then argue that Mark definitely earned his own legendary status within our billiards history since so many people love to share stories of his mythic exploits.

An esteemed member reveiled the field of the LA open, Tadd beat everybody ''but'' the best who were competing at the Desert Dust-Off.

 

[hello]

I was in LA and used to head down to Hardtimes, Bellflower, in its hey day. This was when all top pros were hanging around including the Efren, Parica, McCready, Tang, Janette, etc were all there. Everyone was matching up with everyone. Everyone stayed away from Mark Tad. I remember just watching him on the back table all by himself practicing for hours. I think at the time, Efren was giving away the 8 to anyone except Mark. That speaks for itself.

I feel like he was only around for 2 years… shooting at that high speed. I know nothing about how he got there… other than his ability to focus.

Efren wasn't giving the 8-ball to Buddy..guaranteed...

 

[hello]

I stand corrected based on his LA open wins, which I was not aware of.

I stand corrected again, the LA open took place in the absence of pools top players, due to non sactioning of the PBT.

 

[Matt_24]

An esteemed member reveiled the field of the LA open, Tadd beat everybody ''but'' the best who were competing at the Desert Dust-

An esteemed member reveiled the field of the LA open, Tadd beat everybody ''but'' the best who were competing at the Desert Dust-Off.

Are you just trolling?

 

[hello]

Are you just trolling?

Uhm...no..?Did you look at the players that were in the LA event and the one from the Desert Dust-Off..?

 

[straightline]

These who da best discussions - apples, oranges, and self fulfilling logic.

 

[hello]

I realized I was wasting my time... I’ll remember the forum name though.

Wasting your time..?Why, if I may ask..?We now know that the the reason Tadd did so well is because of the absence of pools top players, there is hardly another realistic way to look at this.At the same time we hear unconfirmed stories of how great a gambler Tadd was (including from you) but not where, against whom and for how much the action took place.Now, you can write another essay about it but no one credible in the world of pool( and most likely Tadd himself ) will support the claim of him having been the best or even one of the best pool players in the world at any given time.

 

[hello]

These who da best discussions - apples, oranges, and self fulfilling logic.

Not really...I think its safe to say that either Earl or Buddy was the best 9-ball player ever.We can also say that Efren is the best allround pool player and the best one pocket player ever.We can say this because of their ''achievements'' not based on stories where people say '' yeah, i saw him play, he was the greatest''

 

[hello]

And the reason I was interested in the LA players was because I just couldn't believe he could put on a performance like he did if the top players would have been present.And I was right.

Now, you everyone that wants to can go on how he was the best player at one time, but there simply is no evidence of that.

 

[hello]

I don’t know what your take is that would qualify a player as elite in your mind. I’m also not going to, as someone else so aptly put it, tear a player down, but since you equate Mark’s speed to that of Ginky, here’s something to think about. Ginky didn’t pick up a cue until he was almost 19. 6 years later he was named Billiard Digests pro rookie of the year. In a nine month stretch from late ‘98 into ‘99 he won the Camel Pro Charlotte 10 ball championship, the BCA Open 9 ball championship, and National Straight Pool Championship. Then the 2000 Derby City Classic 9-ball. Sadly an injury shortly after this stretch derailed his game and career. In 2009 he ran 343 balls in 14:1 at Slates, 10 years after that accident that took his best game. While his career was short, he was elite and he was a friend I’d never disparage. Having said that, Mark was a LOT faster than Ginky, Mark wasn’t elite, he was freaking intergalactic, and more unnerving was, he made it look effortless, at times almost seeming disinterested, bored with it. There was a point that he’d play anybody for the cash, and no one had to like it.

I think you cannot be considered a true great if you did not show your ability to play stellar pool over a longer period of time.With Ginky, of course, we won't know how great he could have been had his life not ended at a fairly young age...

 

[straightline]

Not really...I think its safe to say that either Earl or Buddy was the best 9-ball player ever.We can also say that Efren is the best allround pool player and the best one pocket player ever.We can say this because of their ''achievements'' not based on stories where people say '' yeah, i saw him play, he was the greatest''

Many would agree. If you jump on that wagon, add your logic to the equation. I'd still say apples and oranges.
Tournaments or the road in these discussions are just filters - contrivances to distill "the ball" of the discussion; usually who won, and/or how much. Details are omitted or unknown in the first place.

 

[hello]

If details are unknown, the claim that someone is a great gambler is even more strange...

 

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If details are unknown, the claim that someone is a great gambler is even more strange...

Details like who was involved, what was the plan, how'd it go down, was this average behavior... yada yada... for instance.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

 

[hello]

Details like who was involved, what was the plan, how'd it go down, was this average behavior... yada yada... for instance.

Sure.....

 

[sixpack]

Wasting your time..?Why, if I may ask..?We now know that the the reason Tadd did so well is because of the absence of pools top players, there is hardly another realistic way to look at this.At the same time we hear unconfirmed stories of how great a gambler Tadd was (including from you) but not where, against whom and for how much the action took place.Now, you can write another essay about it but no one credible in the world of pool( and most likely Tadd himself ) will support the claim of him having been the best or even one of the best pool players in the world at any given time.

All we really know is that you have a problem with Mark Tadd.

That's ok. We just know to ignore you now.

 

[hello]

I don't have the slightest problem with Tadd, why you would say that needs to be explained.

 

[straightline]

I don't have the slightest problem with Tadd, why you would say that needs to be explained.

I do think you cannot know why he did so well. Even the FBI only renders opinions. The CIA might start shooting though that's still not proof.

 

[hello]

Well, yes, of course I cannot be 100% certain but would you not agree that what I outlined seems to be highly likely..?Be honest...

 

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Well, yes, of course I cannot be 100% certain but would you not agree that what I outlined seems to be highly likely..?Be honest...

You mean compared to I'm mostly honest? I dunno - when you claim an immutable state, that state has to be 100% - regardless of how sure you are. I don't know Mark. I like most have only heard of his 15 minutes. I do recall a guy I ran into that claimed he gave Mark the 8 and collected. Meant nothing to me. Just info.