Woods used by southwest cues

vijesh

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I have seen

-Alves
-Gaboon Ebony
-Macassar Ebony
-Tulipwood
-Maple - BEM - Curly
-Purpleheart
-Pau ferro
-Cocobolo
- Orange osage
- Blackwood
- Pink Ivory
- Bacote
- Rosewood - Brazilian - Indian
- Burl - Thuya - Amboyna
- Snakewood
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was there any other used ...

Thanks
VJ
 
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They have used some other woods but it's exceedingly rare. Pink ivory, blackwood, osage orange, & bacote all come to mind, but I'm sure there have been some others. Probably used some other 'rosewoods' back in the day, too.
 
rare woods

-snakewood
-ambony or thuya burl
-brazilian rosewood

are some of the most rare woods but usually seen in the points.

other unique version are:

-titlist
-butterfly points
-sneaky pete full rings
 
-snakewood
-ambony or thuya burl
-brazilian rosewood

are some of the most rare woods but usually seen in the points.

other unique version are:

-titlist
-butterfly points
-sneaky pete full rings

How rare is a rosewood forearm? I have a tulipwood into rosewood. Never thought too much about the woods until reading this thread.
 
My first one was Indian rosewood. Laurie said it would be one of the last ones, they couldn't get the rosewood any more.
 
Rosewood was used mainly early on. Ive not seen a rosewood cue in ages.

You ever see a Titleist or 4 point cue...Let me know. Those are quite rare and I know Laurie is trying to buy those back. I heard a number of about 10 mentioned...
 
thank you for your posts, can someone post pics of the woods highlighted in red please...
 
Here is my Indian rosewood Southwest, best I can do, unfortunately. Hope you can see it.
The black comma-like thing is a camera problem.
 

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As I just told the original poster in a pm, this is one of the two cues out of all I've owned over the years that I wish I could get back. I think my Varney Brazilian rosewood plays very similar but not quite the same:(
 
I recently acquired a Brazilian Rosewood Southwest. It looks a lot like ebony. I’m wondering if it is on par with the prices of ebony or is it worth slightly more due to the rarity?


Taken from google:

In 1992, Brazilian rosewood (Dalbergia nigra) was listed on CITES Appendix I, the highest level of protection, effectively banning international commercial trade due to severe depletion. This action, taken in June 1992, aimed to halt the devastation of the species caused by overharvesting. Consequently, any international sale of instruments or wood requires strict documentation proving it was harvested before this 1992 date.
Key Aspects of the 1992 Ban:
  • CITES Appendix I Listing: Effective June 11, 1992, this designation bans international trade of raw timber and products, including guitars.
  • Previous Regulations: Export of raw logs from Brazil was already banned in 1967.
  • Impact on Instruments: While many guitars with Brazilian rosewood were built, the 1992 ruling made international travel and commerce with them complex, requiring CITES permits.
  • Exceptions: Items manufactured or in the US prior to the June 1992 listing date are generally considered "pre-Convention" and may be sold within the US, but international trade remains highly restricted.
Post-1992 Considerations:
  • Strict Liability: The Lacey Act imposes strict liability for illegal wood, meaning illegal materials can be seized even if the owner was unaware of the violation.
  • Distinction from Other Woods: Unlike other rosewood species, Brazilian rosewood (Appendix I) was not included in the 2019 exemptions for musical instruments.
Possession is not illegal, but moving, selling, or shipping across international borders without documentation is prohibited.



Brazilian rosewood (Dalbergia nigra) is significantly rarer and more legally restricted than ebony, classified as an endangered species with international trade banned, while various ebony species remain available, though threatened. Brazilian rosewood is considered a "forbidden fruit" with extremely limited, high-priced stock, whereas ebony is an upscale, high-density wood that is still used in modern production.
  • Brazilian Rosewood Rarity: It is highly restricted under CITES Appendix I, with logging prohibited since 1992. Only pre-ban or salvaged wood is legally available, making it far more expensive and scarce.
  • Ebony Rarity: Various species (e.g., Gaboon, Macassar) are used, and while threatened, they are not as critically restricted as Brazilian rosewood. New, sustainable sources like "Cruella Cam Ebony" are actively used to mitigate scarcity.
  • Usage & Characteristics: Brazilian rosewood is cherished for its resonant tone and rich, varied figuring in guitars. Ebony is favored for its hardness (over 3000 on the Janka scale, compared to rosewood's ~1600–2000) and smooth, dark, dense feel.
While both are premier materials, Brazilian rosewood is generally regarded as much harder to acquire and significantly more valuable due to its legally restricted status.
 
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In 2019 I was given the choice between two Southwest cues to purchase. One was kingwood, and the other was pau ferro. Both were still in the plastic sleeves, and neither had ever been screwed together. The pau ferro cue is 327-13, and is my main playing cue.
 
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