Why is running English always (or at least usually) used for multi rail kicks?
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For a three rail kick hit the cue ball 3/8's of an inch away from center at 10:30 or 1:30 on the clock.
Find the spot on your table where the above takes you on the line to the corner pocket.
Adjust up and down the long rail with the cue ball contact point to hit object balls that are either up or to the side of the corner pocket.
Find the spot on your table where the above takes you on the line to the corner pocket.
Adjust up and down the long rail with the cue ball contact point to hit object balls that are either up or to the side of the corner pocket.
Actually in/out usually denotes orientation to the carom; outside for with the carom, inside for against the carom. Technically this is also running and "retarding/stalling" english.
When describing OB banks, the action at the cushion is usually the focus - ie running/reverse, opening/closing.
dquarasr
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My intent was to differentiate CB to OB contact vs CB to rail contact and not use the terms for both; that’s why I mentioned the “angle”. But you are more correct, it’s the spin direction with respect to the angle to the pocket.
(Truth be told, I struggled wirding my original post and missed the mark anyway, like I miss pool shots. Lol)
In fact, Patrick, I visualize running as inside, reverse (checking) as outside, which is opposite of how you described it. Hence my reasoning for not mixing application of the terms.
Would you please clarify what you mean by "with the carom"/"against the carom"? I consider a "carom" to be action involving the two balls, but do are you referring to the sides of the tangent line--which is adjusted by follow or draw, and not sidespin...which is confusing me even more....
Carom denotes action across and away from a ball. So, <outside> for >>>> in the direction of motion and <inside> for <<<<against the direction of motion. The draw and follow will alter the carom (cause deviation from the tangent line lol) but that's not in question here.
For me:
- inside (reverse, etc.) = spin direction/tip offset toward the collision side ("inside"/between the colliding objects)
- outside (running, etc.) = spin direction/tip offset away from the collision side ("outside" the colliding objects)
pj
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I'm using the terms interchangeably for ball/ball and ball/rail collisions. So, for instance, an inside hit on the OB can be either a running (outside) or reverse (inside) hit on the rail. Same for an outside hit on the OB.
pj
chgo
Depends on the shot, orientation, vocab, affinity for verbage... it's interdimensional grammar.
do you see 2 faces or 1 vase
thats what we are discussing here
if you only look at the spin relative to the cut angle ...ie .....left cut right spin or right cut left spin =outside english
and vice versa
you see one of the images in the pic above
if you use the spin relative to the rebound angle
ie... right spin cue ball wants to rebound to the the right you have running english
right spin the cue ball wants to rebound to the left you have reverse english
and vice versa
same spin same picture
can be 2 faces or 1 vase
jmho
dquarasr
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Exactly. That’s why it’s confusing. Per your definitions, you can shoot a cut the OB with outside gearing English but be hitting the rail with inside reverse spin at the cushion.
I submit most pool players think of inside/outside only in terms of CB/OB interaction, and running/reverse as CB/cushion interaction.
Before Patrick mentioned it, had never heard anyone refer to CB/rail interaction as in or out.
Glad to hear you understand me - I wasn't sure if I was being clear.
I'm pretty sure you're right. You guys do you guys; I can translate.
pj
chgo
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