Wouldn't it be a hoot to find out they all use Chinese tubes and know of ways to make it perform better B4 sending it out into the market.
Lions and tigers and bears. Oh my.
Any reviews out there for UNLIMITED (Double Carbon) Carbon Fiber shafts (from Japan)?
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Oh, I have only seen what you are referring to on HAMA cues. I do not know of any other cue makers who build cues like that, but I understand if HAMA is not the only cue maker who is doing that type of CF shaft. Google "HAMA cues", on Google images, to see what I am talking about. They do different Woods in the base of their shafts, and then Carbon fiber in the taper area. Some of them are so beautiful. They are made in Japan, I believe (but not sure). I would really love to try one out someday. By the way, the CF in their shafts looks far different then any other CF that that I have ever seen. It is really super cool looking, in my opinion. Really odd looking. I wonder if it feels very smooth, lol.
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There are a couple of AZ and members who make these.
You might try one of them if you're interested in checking one out. Vince Sangmeister or 'Jaden.' Both of these guys make the hybrids. I own one for each maker.
They play like nothing I've played with B4.
I like the shafts.
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Okay, thanks for the info. They look really interesting.
I just happened to see one, that is really far out, on ebay. Made with 2 different woods, before it goes into the Carbon Fiber taper area. The wood in this one goes really far up, before the Carbon Fiber starts. I see that all of these Hybrid shafts are made using that Woven Carbon Fiber. Looks really nice. This one is really bizarre looking though, lol.
STODDARD'S ULTRA-LOW DEFLECTION HYBRID CUE SHAFT 30.75"long w/12.75mm tip used | eBay
Anall wood shaft may have the needed flex but is too heavy, and anall carbon fiber shaft will have the light frontal mass needed but will lack the FLEX. Cue maker Jay Stoddard has solved this problem by creating the first (and patented) hybrid carbon fiber/ wood cue shaft.
www.ebay.com
Those sound a lot like what Vince is making, except Vince uses a much higher K count carbon fiber than this Stoddard guy who uses 3K.Okay, thanks for the info. They look really interesting.
I just happened to see one, that is really far out, on ebay. Made with 2 different woods, before it goes into the Carbon Fiber taper area. The wood in this one goes really far up, before the Carbon Fiber starts. I see that all of these Hybrid shafts are made using that Woven Carbon Fiber. Looks really nice. This one is really bizarre looking though, lol.
STODDARD'S ULTRA-LOW DEFLECTION HYBRID CUE SHAFT 30.75"long w/12.75mm tip used | eBay
Anall wood shaft may have the needed flex but is too heavy, and anall carbon fiber shaft will have the light frontal mass needed but will lack the FLEX. Cue maker Jay Stoddard has solved this problem by creating the first (and patented) hybrid carbon fiber/ wood cue shaft.www.ebay.com
I don't see anything about a damper or proprietary ferrule, or any of the additional goodies Vince includes. And Jaden will as well once his are up and running. This guy says he has a patent. I've heard that from 2 other people. Somebody's not telling the truth. Guess I'll have to check the US patent office and find out for sure.
Thank you for posting this!!
You might want to steer clear of this. Did some further digging and this is obviously overseas if anywhere and sketchy on info. English does t seem to be their first language. No 'Stoddard' anywhere that I can find and certainly no patent awarded.Okay, thanks for the info. They look really interesting.
I just happened to see one, that is really far out, on ebay. Made with 2 different woods, before it goes into the Carbon Fiber taper area. The wood in this one goes really far up, before the Carbon Fiber starts. I see that all of these Hybrid shafts are made using that Woven Carbon Fiber. Looks really nice. This one is really bizarre looking though, lol.
STODDARD'S ULTRA-LOW DEFLECTION HYBRID CUE SHAFT 30.75"long w/12.75mm tip used | eBay
Anall wood shaft may have the needed flex but is too heavy, and anall carbon fiber shaft will have the light frontal mass needed but will lack the FLEX. Cue maker Jay Stoddard has solved this problem by creating the first (and patented) hybrid carbon fiber/ wood cue shaft.www.ebay.com
Who knows what this is.
vintagecollectibles831
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Curious, what does this 3k Count mean? The Mezz Ignite, for example, is probably the top of the line CF shaft on the market. I wonder what the CF count on that one is. I do not understand that at all. And, what does this Vince guy use, for example? What does the count mean, and why does it matter? Just curious. And, I wonder why the CF looks woven, like that. Thanks a lot. They do look super interesting though.
vintagecollectibles831
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Thanks. Looks like a Frankenstein shaft to me, lol. Pretty far out.
3k refers to fiber count. 3000 woven or possibly filament wound. If I'm not mistaken all the lower end tubes utilize woven sheets.
Higher the K count, better the shaft, supposedly. More rigidity, power transfer, all that good stuff.
I have 2 custom CF shafts that were made for me that are 15k and 18k, respectively. You don't want to go over a certain k count from what I've been told.
There's a sweet spot??
What does that mean for me?? I have no fricken clue!!
They play well, for CF.
I believe Mezz uses 15 to 18k Filament wound tubes. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please.
That's going to be a quality shaft bro.
Vince uses 15k in his hybrids bcuz he says 18 is too rigid for his purposes, If I understood him correctly. Too rigid and brittle. You want a slight amount of flex. That's a given.
Vince also installs a tuned Damper, a proprietary ferrule material, and foam densities and vacuum pockets and
.Both Vince and Jaden were literal treasure troves of information in regards to CF, shaft specs, playability, deflection, tuning, feedback, as well as the science behind it all and where this was headed.
I've had the privilege of speaking with both of these guys and I strongly suggest giving one or the other a call. Eye opening experience for me, to say the least.
It's my opinion that these new Hybrid- type shafts will be the end all in performance for quite some time. Obviously there will be tweaks and additions and mutations offered elsewhere. Nature of the bizz.
Plain ol CF will always have devotees, but every manufacturer out there has something along the lines of one of these hybrids in the works at present.
Coming generation of shafts is my guess.
Inexpensive CF tubes with a hollow section in the foam under the ferrule or vault plate, perhaps a CF rod inside extending 4" or 5", or all the way to the joint. 'Tuning' is becoming a 'thing' w these new shafts.
A custom tuned hybrid made for my style of play is something I never thot I would see. Now I have 2 and 2 more on the way. Each shaft has a different damper, Vince is experimenting with the types of foam and their densities and every shaft has been tuned for the precise hit I enjoy. How he manages that is anyone's guess.
Above my pay grade, that's for sure.
Vince @ 610 - 605 - 7318.
Jaden @ 480 - 290 - 0274
Apologies. I've been known to overclock when ideas hit my obsession wheelhouse.3k refers to fiber count. 3000 woven or possibly filament wound. If I'm not mistaken all the lower end tubes utilize woven sheets.
Higher the K count, better the shaft, supposedly. More rigidity, power transfer, all that good stuff.
I have 2 custom CF shafts that were made for me that are 15k and 18k, respectively. You don't want to go over a certain k count from what I've been told.
There's a sweet spot??
What does that mean for me?? I have no fricken clue!!
They play well, for CF.
I believe Mezz uses 15 to 18k Filament wound tubes. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please.
That's going to be a quality shaft bro.
Vince uses 15k in his hybrids bcuz he says 18 is too rigid for his purposes, If I understood him correctly. Too rigid and brittle. You want a slight amount of flex. That's a given.
Vince also installs a tuned Damper, a proprietary ferrule material, and foam densities and vacuum pockets and
Both Vince and Jaden were literal treasure troves of information in regards to CF, shaft specs, playability, deflection, tuning, feedback, as well as the science behind it all and where this was headed.
I've had the privilege of speaking with both of these guys and I strongly suggest giving one or the other a call. Eye opening experience for me, to say the least.
It's my opinion that these new Hybrid- type shafts will be the end all in performance for quite some time. Obviously there will be tweaks and additions and mutations offered elsewhere. Nature of the bizz.
Plain ol CF will always have devotees, but every manufacturer out there has something along the lines of one of these hybrids in the works at present.
Coming generation of shafts is my guess.
Inexpensive CF tubes with a hollow section in the foam under the ferrule or vault plate, perhaps a CF rod inside extending 4" or 5", or all the way to the joint. 'Tuning' is becoming a 'thing' w these new shafts.
A custom tuned hybrid made for my style of play is something I never thot I would see. Now I have 2 and 2 more on the way. Each shaft has a different damper, Vince is experimenting with the types of foam and their densities and every shaft has been tuned for the precise hit I enjoy. How he manages that is anyone's guess.
Above my pay grade, that's for sure.
Vince @ 610 - 605 - 7318.
Jaden @ 480 - 290 - 0274
vintagecollectibles831
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Apologies. I've been known to overclock when ideas hit my obsession wheelhouse.
Hi, I just seen another one of these Hybrid shafts, on ebay. The seller did not give the name of the person who made the shaft though. Do you have any thoughts about it? And, can you tell me how much the two guys that you mentioned charge for their Hybrid CF shafts? Thanks a lot.
I believe that Pechauer used to have a Camelot series with inlays extending into the shaft.
I haven't spoken to Jaden via telephone. If you call Vince, be prepared to get comfortable. He (Vince) will tell you that brevity is not his strong suit.3k refers to fiber count. 3000 woven or possibly filament wound. If I'm not mistaken all the lower end tubes utilize woven sheets.
Higher the K count, better the shaft, supposedly. More rigidity, power transfer, all that good stuff.
I have 2 custom CF shafts that were made for me that are 15k and 18k, respectively. You don't want to go over a certain k count from what I've been told.
There's a sweet spot??
What does that mean for me?? I have no fricken clue!!
They play well, for CF.
I believe Mezz uses 15 to 18k Filament wound tubes. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please.
That's going to be a quality shaft bro.
Vince uses 15k in his hybrids bcuz he says 18 is too rigid for his purposes, If I understood him correctly. Too rigid and brittle. You want a slight amount of flex. That's a given.
Vince also installs a tuned Damper, a proprietary ferrule material, and foam densities and vacuum pockets and
Both Vince and Jaden were literal treasure troves of information in regards to CF, shaft specs, playability, deflection, tuning, feedback, as well as the science behind it all and where this was headed.
I've had the privilege of speaking with both of these guys and I strongly suggest giving one or the other a call. Eye opening experience for me, to say the least.
It's my opinion that these new Hybrid- type shafts will be the end all in performance for quite some time. Obviously there will be tweaks and additions and mutations offered elsewhere. Nature of the bizz.
Plain ol CF will always have devotees, but every manufacturer out there has something along the lines of one of these hybrids in the works at present.
Coming generation of shafts is my guess.
Inexpensive CF tubes with a hollow section in the foam under the ferrule or vault plate, perhaps a CF rod inside extending 4" or 5", or all the way to the joint. 'Tuning' is becoming a 'thing' w these new shafts.
A custom tuned hybrid made for my style of play is something I never thot I would see. Now I have 2 and 2 more on the way. Each shaft has a different damper, Vince is experimenting with the types of foam and their densities and every shaft has been tuned for the precise hit I enjoy. How he manages that is anyone's guess.
Above my pay grade, that's for sure.
Vince @ 610 - 605 - 7318.
Jaden @ 480 - 290 - 0274
vintagecollectibles831
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Those were all maple shafts though. No CF in them, lol.
If it's ok with you, I'd rather let Vince and Jaden disclose their prices and I'm sure if you contacted either they would be more than happy to answer any questions you may have.
I just read the attached. That sounds like Vince and the price is right in the ballpark.
Vince is in Pennsylvania and the wording sounds like Vince. Very open, helpful and willing to accommodate.
Give him a call. It will be time well spent.
I betcha a dollar to a dime it was time well spent!!I haven't spoken to Jaden via telephone. If you call Vince, be prepared to get comfortable. He (Vince) will tell you that brevity is not his strong suit.
vintagecollectibles831
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I betcha a dollar to a dime it was time well spent!!
Off topic, but Jaden helped me out, big time, many years ago. He did a repair for me, completely for free. Installed a new ferrule and tip for me, on a broken shaft that I had. At least, I am pretty sure it was Jaden. I might be mistaken. He was so nice though. He even helped me out a lot, when I mistakenly gave him the wrong return address, lol. He even tried his best to see if he could somehow repair a warp that was in the butt of the cue I had. This was a long time ago, it seems.