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Some training balls don’t help find where to hit cue ball to add spin
The miscue limit is the distance from cue-ball center that a player can hit without miscuing. The distance is generally accepted to be one-half a billiard-ball radius, 9/16" (14.3mm) or 0.5R. Some billiard-ball stripes are that width. For beginners, a more practical maximum may be 0.4 to 0.45R. DrDave found a maximum miscue limit of 0.55R.
The Rempe training ball shows an area to apply spin that has a miscue limit of 0.7R. It instructs players hit the Rempe ball and to note chalk marks to determine where spin was applied. That's a disaster, though, for beginners who would miscue hitting the ball at about 0.5R length and for experienced players above 0.55R. Rempe's instructions should state that miscues are likely cue hits ball and smudges ball at markings above 3.2 (that is 0.5R).
The CueSight Training ball instructs players to “stay inside the white circle and you will not miscue”. That white circle can mean hitting the cue ball at 0.61R — impossible to reach for beginners or DrDave. It should state that players should hit the ball within 0.5R --- that is about 3mm inside the white circle (this is the outer-most small circle --- see photo below).
The Elephant training ball is fine --- it has a red circle that corresponds to a 0.5R. Its' area for applying spin is much smaller than CueSight's or Rempe's. I, a beginner, miscued hitting its red circle, but that’s me and not Elephant Ball's fault.
Experienced players --- not beginners --- know some of this. DrDave has videos of miscues and used a Rempe ball showing a miscue occurred at a Rempe marking of 4 (0.6R; see photo below). When YouTuber Ron the Pool Student indicates where to hit on a Rempe ball, he advises, for example, to hit low right spin at a Rempe 3 marking (0.5R; figuring contact would occur at one side of cue tip; see photo below).
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The miscue limit is the distance from cue-ball center that a player can hit without miscuing. The distance is generally accepted to be one-half a billiard-ball radius, 9/16" (14.3mm) or 0.5R. Some billiard-ball stripes are that width. For beginners, a more practical maximum may be 0.4 to 0.45R. DrDave found a maximum miscue limit of 0.55R.
The Rempe training ball shows an area to apply spin that has a miscue limit of 0.7R. It instructs players hit the Rempe ball and to note chalk marks to determine where spin was applied. That's a disaster, though, for beginners who would miscue hitting the ball at about 0.5R length and for experienced players above 0.55R. Rempe's instructions should state that miscues are likely cue hits ball and smudges ball at markings above 3.2 (that is 0.5R).
The CueSight Training ball instructs players to “stay inside the white circle and you will not miscue”. That white circle can mean hitting the cue ball at 0.61R — impossible to reach for beginners or DrDave. It should state that players should hit the ball within 0.5R --- that is about 3mm inside the white circle (this is the outer-most small circle --- see photo below).
The Elephant training ball is fine --- it has a red circle that corresponds to a 0.5R. Its' area for applying spin is much smaller than CueSight's or Rempe's. I, a beginner, miscued hitting its red circle, but that’s me and not Elephant Ball's fault.
Experienced players --- not beginners --- know some of this. DrDave has videos of miscues and used a Rempe ball showing a miscue occurred at a Rempe marking of 4 (0.6R; see photo below). When YouTuber Ron the Pool Student indicates where to hit on a Rempe ball, he advises, for example, to hit low right spin at a Rempe 3 marking (0.5R; figuring contact would occur at one side of cue tip; see photo below).
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Paul_#_
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Nice vintage Dufferin Phantom Green Leaf. 58 inches, 12.2mm tip, 19.50 oz. in very nice condition as the pictures show. Has a slight ding in the shaft 9.5 inches from the top and some very minor scratches here and there, but far better than expected for its age. This is a vintage Phantom, made in Canada. I'm not sure why the green leaf is so much harder to find, but this is a nice one to have if you appreciate these cues and like the wood-to-wood hit. Has some taper roll but nothing that affects play. Tried to get the ding in the second to last picture. If interested, I also have a vintage Valley Supreme II sneaky that I will list separately.
$old shipped CONUS.
Paul_#_
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Vintage Valley Supreme II, made in the USA bar beater with some taper roll and cracking in the finish but still a good hit. Nice cue if you need something that you can bang around and like the old Valley cues. 12.7mm, pro taper, 15.65 butt, 3.85 shaft, .89" joint, and 1.3" butt. $old shipped CONUS.
