I played in a $100 a man 10 ball ring game?turny last week. We played on a Diamond smart table. The pool room used a Sardo Tight rack. Out of 7 players I was put out 2nd/third (two went out together) leaving 4 players. out of the 28 games I was in the 10 ball fell 6 times, and went to the bottom left pocket at least 6 more times. Both things only happened when local players broke. These two thinks only happened when local players broke. I think we were on a trap table with that rack. There were two of us from out of town, we never had a chance.
10 ball ring game w/ Sardo Tight rack trap?
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every rack was exacly the same. because of the divits(sp) you could not change it in any way. The house players knew where to break from to send the ten ball to a pocket every time. The ten ball went better than one out of every 5 breaks. If you just count local players breaks it is more like 3 or 4 out of 5 each.ceebee said:
tried to as did my buddy, but hard to do bcause of the break. it went like this player A breaks makes the 10, breaks puts the 10 in a pocket, player B makes it repeat above. 
Vonn31 playing cue: Espiritu with a 314 break cue: Predator [/QUOTE said:
carlton31698 said:
You may not be able to change the way the balls are being racked, because of the impressions made in the cloth.
However, you can look at the rack for very small spaces between balls. If the rack has a few very small spaces in the back portion, the 10 ball will go to the corner, just like in 9 Ball. Johnny Archer once said, to a referee, "Those balls may be touching, but they are not frozen".
You have to look for information to find it. Your opponents may have memorized the speed & hit for that particular table. You could have imitated them like Vonn31 suggested. I always watch my opponent, when they are breaking, especially if they are making balls. I might learn something.
One more statement... It might have been dumb luck.
Who was racking? If it was the tournament director, it might be a little fishy. If it was the person who let the winner out, it might be a little less fishy. If you or the other out of towner did any racking, I'd say that it was on the up-and-up.carlton31698 said:
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carlton31698 said:
I’d be interested to know who racked the balls.
By your account this seems a little fishy. Maybe, there were two sets of divots, one for locals and the other for non locals. I’m not saying that’s what happened, but it is surprising the number of times you say the 10 ball rolled towards the same pocket.
Rick
it was rack your own, but the owner racked most of the timehustlefinger said:
carlton31698 said:
I don't have an answer then. I guess the locals just had a BIG home field advantage and knew the better break speed and path.
Rick
At the Trump Marina 10-Ball Challenge a few years ago, Corey Duel and Dee Adkins came up with a break to consistently make the 10 on the break. The conditions were the same, Sardo Rack and Diamond Smart Table. Neither player won the tournament, so I guess they couldn't break it in when the chips were down, however I watched Dee Adkins defeat Jose Garcia pretty handedly and at least 4 of 10 games he won, he made it on the snap and one or two others he had an easy combo on a hanging 10 ball. There definitely is something with 10-Ball and the Sardo Rack, and I guess if to me it meant the difference between Surf and Turf or sleeping in the streets, I would figure it out too. Foul play? I doubt it. A few players doing their homework and a little fortune? More than likely. You can't blame a player for taking advantage of information or knowledge that they have about the equipment. Just like golfers take a walk through of the course before a tournament, we as pool players have the chance to hit balls on the tables we are about to compete on.
Ever watch Earl practice at a tournament? How about when he just racks the balls and breaks them? Never runs out, just practices his break. Think it's because his break needs practicing? Hardly. He is trying to find the best way for him to break the balls in that enviroment and on that equipment, because he realizes the value of the break shot and the advantage that it gives him. Has Earl cheated if he finds a way to consistently pocket the corner ball? Absolutely not, he's done his homework and if he out breaks and out shoots his opponents, he deserves to win the tournament.
I know it feels like shit to have something like that happen to you. But don't confuse knowing the equipment with cheating.
Ever watch Earl practice at a tournament? How about when he just racks the balls and breaks them? Never runs out, just practices his break. Think it's because his break needs practicing? Hardly. He is trying to find the best way for him to break the balls in that enviroment and on that equipment, because he realizes the value of the break shot and the advantage that it gives him. Has Earl cheated if he finds a way to consistently pocket the corner ball? Absolutely not, he's done his homework and if he out breaks and out shoots his opponents, he deserves to win the tournament.
I know it feels like shit to have something like that happen to you. But don't confuse knowing the equipment with cheating.
Dont't get me wrong I'm not saying the players were cheating, just that the rack gave them an advantage that we could not overcome. It felt like a trap because we were playing with players of the same or close to the same level with no chance to win because of homefeild advantage.
I would love to have the same group of players come to my home table and play the same game but they willnot drive the 30 miles oh well.
I would love to have the same group of players come to my home table and play the same game but they willnot drive the 30 miles oh well.