15 ball rotation

DeadStrokeMan

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frequently when I want to just "practice" - I toss all the balls up and rotate them.

There *is* an official game of 15 ball rotation.

Does anyone know the rules? This game appears to be a rare critter on the search engines.
 
Rotation
Except when clearly contradicted by these additional rules, the General Rules of Pocket Billiards apply.

Rotation requires that the cue ball contact the lowest numbered object ball first on each shot; any ball pocketed on a legal shot counts. It is not neccessary to call balls or pockets. Rotation is a formidable test of a player's imagionation, shot-making ability and repertoire. Few games require more exact position play.

Players:
2 or more.

Balls Used:
Standard set of object balls 1-15, plus cue ball.

The Rack:
Standard triangle rack with the 1-ball on the foot spot, 2-ball on the right rear corner, 3-ball on the left rear corner, and 15-ball in the center. All other balls placed entirely at random.

Object of the Game:
To score balls of greater total points value than the opponent(s).

Scoring:
Each legally pocketed object ball has a point value equal to its number. When a player's point total mathematically eliminates an opponent(s) from outscoring him (61 points in a two-player game), the game is ended. If two or more players tie for highest point total after all 15 object balls have been pocketed, the tied player who legally pocketed the last object ball is credited with an extra tie-breaking point and wins the game.

Opening Break:
The starting player must (1) make an open break, or (2) legally pocket an object ball. If failing to do so, the incoming player has the choice of (1) shooting with cue ball in hand behind the head string and object balls in position, or (2) having the balls reracked and shooting the opening break shot.

Rules of Play:
1. A legal shot requires that the cue ball's first contact be with the lowest numbered ball on the table. A player must then (1) pocket a numbered ball, or (2) cause the cue ball or any numbered ball to contact a cushion. Failure to do so is a foul.

2. A legally pocketed ball entitles a shooter to remain at the table until failing to pocket a ball on a legal shot. If necessary, a player is permitted only two legal safeties played by merely hitting that object ball (only) to the near cushion.

3. When a player legally pockets a ball, he must shoot again. The shooter can't call a safety and spot a legally pocketed object ball.

4. When a player has the cue ball in hand behind the head string (as after a scratch) and the legal object ball is also behind the head string, the object ball may be spotted on the foot spot upon request.

5. It is a loss of the game if a player commits three successive fouls. In more than a two player game, balls pocketed by disqualified players remain off the table.

Illegally Pocketed Balls:
All spotted.

Object Balls Jumped Off the Table:
All spotted. The stroke is a foul, and the penalty for fouls is followed.

Cue Ball After Jumping off the Table or Scratch:
Incoming player has cue ball in hand behind the head string.

Penalty for Fouls:
No point penalty. Incoming player has the option of (1) accepting the balls in position, or (2) requiring offending player to shoot again with the table in position (if cue ball is in hand behind the head string it is so for either player).
 
Anyone know of a good book of "Pool Rules" - for all the games?
You know - a "Hoyles" for Pocket Billiards?

Gettin' bored with 9 Ball :)
 
whats the difficulty level of running a rack of rotation from the break? i just started practicing with 15 rotation recently and i ran 7 off the break today(and 2 in on the break), but the rest of the rack didnt really look runnable without a great deal of luck (2 clusters left and they were all consective balls). seems like you would either need to be really lucky or really good to run a rack of rotation even with a decent break.
 
Masayoshi said:
whats the difficulty level of running a rack of rotation from the break? i just started practicing with 15 rotation recently and i ran 7 off the break today(and 2 in on the break), but the rest of the rack didnt really look runnable without a great deal of luck (2 clusters left and they were all consective balls). seems like you would either need to be really lucky or really good to run a rack of rotation even with a decent break.

It's pretty damn hard to run a rack of rotation
from the break. I don't know how to rate it in
difficulty exactly but put it this way: the most
9-ball racks I've ever run is 5, but I've only once
broken and run a rack of rotation. Another time I
ran the first 14 balls and missed a tough shot on
the 15 ball. The balls need to spread well after
the break and if you can get past the first 5 balls
or so then it's like a 9-ball rack, but those first
few balls are tough!
 
Also rotation is a CALL game as far as i know. That means that you have to call the ball on the break, 1 in the side breaks come in handy here.
 
fxskater said:
Also rotation is a CALL game as far as i know. That means that you have to call the ball on the break, 1 in the side breaks come in handy here.

thats not true according to the rules predator posted.
 
i also seem to remember that before ball-in-hand came in vogue, people were allowed to either spot the object ball or shoot it where it lay but the cue ball must be placed anywhere behind the headstring after a foul by the opponent. anyone still play this way?
 
Renegade said:
i also seem to remember that before ball-in-hand came in vogue, people were allowed to either spot the object ball or shoot it where it lay but the cue ball must be placed anywhere behind the headstring after a foul by the opponent. anyone still play this way?
Haven't played rotation in years, but when I did, it was ball in hand behind the headstring and the OB was only spotted when it was in the kitchen.
Walt in VA
 
Masayoshi said:
whats the difficulty level of running a rack of rotation from the break? i just started practicing with 15 rotation recently and i ran 7 off the break today(and 2 in on the break), but the rest of the rack didnt really look runnable without a great deal of luck (2 clusters left and they were all consective balls). seems like you would either need to be really lucky or really good to run a rack of rotation even with a decent break.

At Boston Billiards in Danbury CT. last year ...practicing I ran two racks :)

'twas a hightlight for me :D
 
i was told it was very popular in the philipeans
not sure if this is true but it would be a great way to
get the most for your money on a coin operated table
 
k-carson said:
i was told it was very popular in the philipeans
not sure if this is true but it would be a great way to
get the most for your money on a coin operated table

yes indeed! it was popular (game of skill) and its played in diff variants...
:) we at EPT-Phil still do.
 
linds said:
yes indeed! it was popular (game of skill) and its played in diff variants...
:) we at EPT-Phil still do.


How is it played differently in the Philipenes?
 
most (if not all) Phil Pros played this game...
rotation can be played in various ways depending on your skill (handicap to others) or both... last ball side (last ball must be pocketed on side), last ball bank/combination/etc. or side-side wherein a player gain points by pocketing specific ball/s on the side/corner pocket... another way is stop1/stop2 wherein a player can play/pocket ball/s in 1 turn then must stop... ;)
 
another variant:


predator said:
5. It is a loss of the game if a player commits three successive fouls. In more than a two player game, balls pocketed by disqualified players remain off the table.


this rule is commonly not observe in poolhalls... :confused:
 
I posted what I could find. I got it off EPT forums. There are a few guys who play it there and they posted the rules which looked pretty official to me.

It's a shame the game's not played at all. I only ran full rack alone in practice twice. I ran over 61 points few times (about 9 to 11 balls). Actually, if you manage to clear first seven balls or so, with some luck the rest becomes pretty much standard 9ball rack. But clearing the first few balls (which are practically worthless, btw) takes some doing. It's much much more difficult to play position than in 9ball, cause the position zones are so narrow.

Unfortunately, I can't play good banks and kicks. And you really need those to play the game well.

Btw, 3 foul rule is necessary, because one could commit deliberate fouls all night long...

15ball rotation is the most demanding pool game, period.
 
predator said:
Btw, 3 foul rule is necessary, because one could commit deliberate fouls all night long...

nope... a player cant, if the ref. concluded a certain shot is open/clear... the player must hit the object ball, or its the opponent option to repeat until such position is attained or simply take the option of spoting the object ball if a foul is commited.
:)
 
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Rotation

DeadStrokeMan said:
frequently when I want to just "practice" - I toss all the balls up and rotate them.

There *is* an official game of 15 ball rotation.

Does anyone know the rules? This game appears to be a rare critter on the search engines.

Just rack them up and run them all off in number rotation.

sonia
 
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