30 degree cut shots (Half-ball hits)

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Assuming you have a perfect stroke, and that you can always shoot the CB exactly where you're aiming, you can make a straight-in shot anywhere on the table 100% of the time, since you have a definite aiming point on which to focus (the center of the OB). However, even with a perfect stroke, you have no such guarantee potting any cut shot, since the point at which you aim might be flawed. For a cut shot, there is no definite aiming point; it must be imagined visually. Either you're visualizing the precise location of an imaginary ghost ball, or you're trying to guess the location of the contact point on the CB and match it up with the contact point of the OB (or you may have some other system). Either way, there is a certain degree of guess work, and always the possibility of error.

However, other than the center of the OB, there is another definite point on the OB at which to aim. This is the edge of the OB, or a half-ball hit. Assuming the cut angle is precisely 30 degrees, with a perfect stroke and the edge of the OB as your definite aiming point, you can make this shot 100% of the time (let's disregard throw for simplicity). The problem is how can you tell if your shot is exactly 30 degrees without carrying a protractor in your back pocket? Sure it's easy to tell a straight-in shot, but not so for a 30 degree cut.

This is where the knowledge of geometry and the properties of 30-60-90 right triangles might help. For a right triangle containing a 30 degree angle, the hypotenuse (the side opposite the 90 degree angle) is exactly twice the length of the side opposite the 30 degree angle (sin 30degrees = 0.5). So how can this knowledge help your pool game?...

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The shot above shows a cut angle of 30 degrees. The 8 ball is the OB and the 1 ball is the imaginary ghost ball. A 30-60-90 right triangle is formed, such that the hypotenuse of the right triangle is the line connecting the center of the ghost ball and the center of the pocket (red arrow) and the cut angle is the 30 degree angle of the triangle. If the cut angle is exactly 30 degrees, then the red arrow should be exactly twice the length of the blue arrow.

When determining if your shot is 30 degrees, measure the distance of the red arrow with your cue stick. Point the tip of the cue at the ghost ball's center (not OB's center) and mark the place on the stick where it's over the pocket with your hand. Then rotate your cue about the pocket such that the cue is perpendicular to your aim line (CB through the OB edge, green line in figure).

If the aim line splits the distance measured by your cue, then you know the cut angle is 30 degrees, and that you should aim exactly at the OB's edge. If the intersection point is closer to your hand than it is to the tip, then you know the angle is less than 30 degrees and you should aim slightly inside the edge of the OB. If the interection point is closer to the tip, then the angle is greater than 30 degrees and you should aim slightly outside the edge of the OB.

Note: I know this methodology is most likely impractical on shots where the OB is close to the pocket, since you still have to guess distances. However, it may help on some of your longer shots. Just thought I'd throw it out there... :)
 
cut shots and all shots for that matter become easier with practice. the more you play the more you notice the relationships between your alignment, ball position and the table. eventually you start to recognize these factors without even knowing it and eventually you really don't aim anymore. your bridge hand, stroke arm and body will start to align before you even get a chance to "aim". this is when you know your getting close to that which we all want to be, "in stroke". the more you play the more you will see this "geometrical" relationship between body, ball and table evolve. aiming is much more than a state of mind but one of physical "awareness".
 
jsp said:
Assuming you have a perfect stroke, and that you can always shoot the CB exactly where you're aiming, you can make a straight-in shot anywhere on the table 100% of the time, since you have a definite aiming point on which to focus (the center of the OB). However, even with a perfect stroke, you have no such guarantee potting any cut shot, since the point at which you aim might be flawed. For a cut shot, there is no definite aiming point; it must be imagined visually. Either you're visualizing the precise location of an imaginary ghost ball, or you're trying to guess the location of the contact point on the CB and match it up with the contact point of the OB (or you may have some other system). Either way, there is a certain degree of guess work, and always the possibility of error.

However, other than the center of the OB, there is another definite point on the OB at which to aim. This is the edge of the OB, or a half-ball hit. Assuming the cut angle is precisely 30 degrees, with a perfect stroke and the edge of the OB as your definite aiming point, you can make this shot 100% of the time (let's disregard throw for simplicity). The problem is how can you tell if your shot is exactly 30 degrees without carrying a protractor in your back pocket? Sure it's easy to tell a straight-in shot, but not so for a 30 degree cut.

This is where the knowledge of geometry and the properties of 30-60-90 right triangles might help. For a right triangle containing a 30 degree angle, the hypotenuse (the side opposite the 90 degree angle) is exactly twice the length of the side opposite the 30 degree angle (sin 30degrees = 0.5). So how can this knowledge help your pool game?...

CueTable Help



The shot above shows a cut angle of 30 degrees. The 8 ball is the OB and the 1 ball is the imaginary ghost ball. A 30-60-90 right triangle is formed, such that the hypotenuse of the right triangle is the line connecting the center of the ghost ball and the center of the pocket (red arrow) and the cut angle is the 30 degree angle of the triangle. If the cut angle is exactly 30 degrees, then the red arrow should be exactly twice the length of the blue arrow.

When determining if your shot is 30 degrees, measure the distance of the red arrow with your cue stick. Point the tip of the cue at the ghost ball's center (not OB's center) and mark the place on the stick where it's over the pocket with your hand. Then rotate your cue about the pocket such that the cue is perpendicular to your aim line (CB through the OB edge, green line in figure).

If the aim line splits the distance measured by your cue, then you know the cut angle is 30 degrees, and that you should aim exactly at the OB's edge. If the intersection point is closer to your hand than it is to the tip, then you know the angle is less than 30 degrees and you should aim slightly inside the edge of the OB. If the interection point is closer to the tip, then the angle is greater than 30 degrees and you should aim slightly outside the edge of the OB.

Note: I know this methodology is most likely impractical on shots where the OB is close to the pocket, since you still have to guess distances. However, it may help on some of your longer shots. Just thought I'd throw it out there... :)

I often tell people who are struggling with the game that they are thinking too much, and you my friend are thinking WAY too much.

In all seriousness though the more you complicate the process the more difficult it gets especially under pressure, because you can't use any aiming tools other than your cue and imagination. Under pressure your imagination can play tricks on you (thats why i hate the ghost ball system).

Aiming systems are all well and good to teach you where to aim the shot, but in order to be completely confident you have to trust your experiance.

I am near sighted so on longer pots i can't see the balls too clearly so, i don't aim at any paticular spot. What I do is recognize the relation of the cue ball to the object ball. Its not something that will help anybody out in the short term but, as your repetoire of shots increase you will become very confident, and a faster player.
 
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Cameron Smith said:
I am near sighted so on longer pots i can't see the balls too clearly so, i don't aim at any paticular spot. What I do is recognize the relation of the cue ball to the object ball. Its not something that will not help anybody out in the short term but, as your repetoire of shots increase become very confident, and a faster player.

your right. aiming is more a "state of body" rather than "state of mind". it's recognizing the angle of the shot through the alignment of the balls in relation to the table and your body. this comes with much practice. i know this sounds kind of "zen like" but for "players" aiming really is more a "feel" than a science.
 
Cameron Smith said:
I often tell people who are struggling with the game that they are thinking too much, and you my friend are thinking WAY too much.
Haha, I knew I would get responses such as this. :)

I never meant for my post to be a practical aiming system. I don't use it. Just a thing that I noticed and I wanted to share.

My point is that the are only 2 definite points at which to aim: the exact center of the OB and the edge of the CB. It's obvious to know when to hit the exact center of the OB...when the OB is straight-in. However, it isn't very obvious to know when to aim for the exact edge of the OB (half-ball hit). I just devised a methodology to determine if the cut shot is 30 degrees, such that you can aim for the edge of the CB.

Again, this is not something to be taken too seriously as a practical aiming system. Just an FYI. ;)
 
jsp said:
Haha, I knew I would get responses such as this. :)

I never meant for my post to be a practical aiming system. I don't use it. Just a thing that I noticed and I wanted to share.

My point is that the are only 2 definite points at which to aim: the exact center of the OB and the edge of the CB. It's obvious to know when to hit the exact center of the OB...when the OB is straight-in. However, it isn't very obvious to know when to aim for the exact edge of the OB (half-ball hit). I just devised a methodology to determine if the cut shot is 30 degrees, such that you can aim for the edge of the CB.

Again, this is not something to be taken too seriously as a practical aiming system. Just an FYI. ;)

i understand your intentions but like what's been said, 30 degrees, 60 degrees, edge ball, half ball... whatever..after you reach a certain level this all gets thrown in the trash and you rarely visually aim.
 
Thanks jsp. Even though most everyone, including yourself and myself, agrees that shooting by one's intuition developed from experience is the best way to go, I, for one, welcome these facts from geometry and physics. Pressure also affects one's memory and it doesn't hurt to have a backup method when you just can't see the shot. You've figured out an easy procedure for determining when you are really faced with a 30 deg shot...so easy, in fact, that it can be applied even when your brain isn't working too well.

Jim
 
Thanks jsp. Even though most everyone, including yourself and myself, agrees that shooting by one's intuition developed from experience is the best way to go, I, for one, welcome these facts from geometry and physics. Pressure also affects one's memory and it doesn't hurt to have a backup method when you just can't see the shot. You've figured out an easy procedure for determining when you are really faced with a 30 deg shot...so easy, in fact, that it can be applied even when your brain isn't working too well.

Jim
 
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