thank you tom, i've been wanting to see that game for years , i guess i'll just have to wait. i was told the pros in italy, make millions a year playing the game, is that true? maybe you could shed some light on the game, i think the forum will find it very different and very intresting. some of the things that make 5 pins unique is that whenever you shoot regardless of the rsults, you sit down, so each shot is both offensive and defensive, and the cues used are monsters, 28 oz.!!!!! why don't you take it from there tom, how often is it on television in italy? what are the rules? i was also told that the 5 pins tables are the most well constructed in the world, they are much heavier than snooker or carom tables.