9-ball - early 9 shots?

bill190

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I read your *great* suggestions about 9-ball. And one of them hit a nerve...

I've been practicing various shots daily on a rotating weekly basis, two of these shots being carom and combo. I recently started playing in 9-ball tournaments specifically to practice hitting in the 9 early with a carom or combo shot. No intention of winning anything, just practicing and having fun.

Well I won 1st in a tournament a few weeks ago by hitting in the 9 early multiple times. (Guess I'm getting better at my combo and carom shots...)

I've also beat some top notch players in matches with this play, knocking them out of the tournament sometimes.

Since winning the tournament, one player has several times told me that I need to run out the rack and not try to shoot in the 9-ball early. Lately he has made comments to me like "have you learned to play 9-ball yet?". In other words, there is strong opposition to my playing style, but only by some players (not all) who usually win the tournaments. (Other players say I am a good shot, say positive things, etc.)

Since I've been winning more and more games (8-ball too), there are all sorts of nasty comments directed my way by some players. When I was losing every single game, they were nice as could be and very encouraging.

The tournaments I've been playing in are mostly lesser skilled players. My solution to all this nonsense was to seek and find tournaments with much higher skilled players. And I have done this. The higher skilled player tournaments seem to have players which are better sports when they lose. Also when playing 9-ball, they attempt every shot they can to shoot in the 9 ball early. This is the way I think it should be.

I don't necessarily care if I win tournaments at this point or not. What I'm doing is practicing different things, then going to tournaments and trying these things out. I'm concentrating on and thinking about whatever the "shot of the day" is. How well I am doing with that specific shot, what I can do to improve, maybe some different practice drill which would help me learn the shot better, etc.

So my question: I feel like I am headed in the right direction with my practice and learning. But it seems the better I get, the more [some] other players want to derail my efforts and discourage me from playing. What is your experience with all this?
 
IMHO, you should make the choice which suits best for your skills. If you have 9 balls on the table with ball-in-hand and you know that you won't run out, you should consider a good safety or playing the 9-ball combination. Only after evaluating the situation you might go for the combo and if possible, try to leave the cueball safe if you miss the combo, a 2-way shot.

If you have 3 balls on the table and you feel you can run out, go for it instead on going for a difficult combo.

When you get better and your pocketing skills increase, you notice that you'll get better results trying the run-out instead of the combo.

Don't worry about the whining players. They just whine because they lose. I've been shooting in a handicapped tournaments where I need 8 racks and my opponent needs 2 or 3. If I were in his shoes playing against myself (got it :) I would try the combination all the time, because I might need only 2-3 lucky shots to win the match and my opponent needs to make several run-outs. And when I need 8 racks or so, I try to play safe a lot more often compared to normal match. My less skilled opponent will likely give me a ball in hand after a good safety and I don't have to risk a difficult run-out only to find myself out of position on the 8 or 9 thus giving him an easy point.
 
i suggest you practice your safeties over and over again when you play one of the whiners.
 
larrynj1 said:
i suggest you practice your safeties over and over again when you play one of the whiners.

Someone did do that to these guys recently, so they go to the TD and say they will not play there any more unless they banned safeties in the future. So the TD banned safeties! - If you can't win, change the rules so you can win, is the thinking!

I've thought of playing safteies on these guys as well, but I think that would tick them off even more. I would just rather not play them period. There are too many other tournaments around with good sports and friendly people.
 
Hi Bill,

My experience has told me this. Sad as it is, when you start improving and winning you will also start losing friends. People who should be happy for you start cutting you down. You can either ignore the jealousy and the back biting, or use it as motivation. I've talked to many of the champions about this topic and they have all experienced the same thing.

As far as the players who say you "should run out", you must weigh out your own skills and play the percentages. What are the odds of you running out as opposed to making the carom/combo? These choices are different for every player, and as you improve these decisions will change. Right now it seems they are working for you, and based on other players comments, both good and bad, I would say you're doing something right. Keep up the good work!

Jenn
 
JennBarretta said:
My experience has told me this. Sad as it is, when you start improving and winning you will also start losing friends. People who should be happy for you start cutting you down. Jenn

Thanks, I needed that! I'm glad it's not just me. I've always tried to get along with other people, so it gets to me when this happens. I guess I need to develop a "thicker skin", which I seem to be doing.

I should have known this since my brother is a sports nut and is always telling me stories about things of this nature. I've just never experienced it first hand....

Bill
 
whitewolf said:
BTW, in the 60s I used to watch 9 ball games during lunch and every time you ran a rack, you got double the money. Now this would tend to limit the whacking somewhat don't you think?

Well as I point out to other players frequently, I did not make the rules!

But the rules being as they are, I use them to my advantage. When I am playing someone who does not miss and will run the table if given one shot at the balls, my only chance of winning may be an early 9-ball.

If I'm playing an intermediate player, my best chance of winning is to intentionally miss the first ball, let them run the table, then they usually miss on one of the last shots, then I run the table from there (let them do all the work).

If I'm playing a beginner, I usually get very tough leaves and it is all I can do to make a shot. But it is usually me who runs in most of the balls.

Now if the rules were different and I would get double the money for running the table, I would concentrate on running the table and not an early 9-ball. But again, if playing a top player, winning with an early 9 and getting half the money would be better than no money. So it would depend on who I was playing.
 
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