Alabama 8ball(8ball variations)

shag_fu

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Okay so we've all played bank the 8 or last pocket 8. Heres another 8-ball variation that has become popular in my area. Its called alabama 8ball. I'm trying the new wei tables for the 1st time so I prob screwed it up. Object is to pocket the 1ball(if you are solids) in the side pocket to the breakers left, or the 15 ball(if you have taken stripes) to the breakers right before attempting to pocket the 8. Standard 8ball rack with the 1 ball in the 4th row just to the right of the 8 and the 15 to the left. If anyone has heard of or played this game before please I would really like the rules, as this guy at the pool hall keeps making up stranger and stranger rules depending on his current mood.
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shag_fu said:
Okay so we've all played bank the 8 or last pocket 8. Heres another 8-ball variation that has become popular in my area. Its called alabama 8ball. I'm trying the new wei tables for the 1st time so I prob screwed it up. Object is to pocket the 1ball(if you are solids) in the side pocket to the breakers left, or the 15 ball(if you have taken stripes) to the breakers right before attempting to pocket the 8...

I've played a lot of this with these old boys at a local retirement community. I've learned a lot playing it, as it makes an interesting tactical variation on regular 8 Ball. It's not quite up to the level of One Pocket but not far behind either, with a lot of requirement for two-way shots and end game defence. They typically play it in a doubles format.

No one has any idea why this variation of 8 Ball became popular there, and no one knew it's name was "Alabama" 8 Ball, they just call it "1-15 8 Ball". (The "Alabama" name is coroborated in the excellent book "Playing Off The Rail", where it's mentioned briefly, but I've never seen it mention anywhere else.)

As it is a fairly rare regional variant of 8 Ball there are NO official rules, and as there are a surprising number of odd situation that can occur there are quite a lot of rules that have been added along the way to accomodate them. They have written up a set of rules, although it's very much a work in progress as even after years playing it there are still new things they are finding to make rules about. If you learn the game it's a great leveller for even very good players. I was playing with a friend who was beating me consistently at 9 Ball. I asked him if he wanted to try this version of 8 Ball and he agreed, then lost 4 games in a row before he quit. He never got close to shooting an 8 Ball at the right pocket once.

If you have any specific questions let me know. Here's some of the major rules:

1) Anytime you strike your opponents 1/15 before hitting any other ball it is put down and your opponent gets BIH (This is to prevent people using deliberate fouls to knock the 1/15 away from the side pocket)
2) If you make your 1/15 in the correct pocket but scratch the 1/15 is spotted and your opponent gets BIH
3) If you accidentally make your opponents 1/15 in their correct side pocket it stays down, even if you also scratch
4) If you have only one other object ball on the table, OR one normal object AND your 1/15 ball, and your opponent illegally makes that normal object ball in you can choose to have it spotted as well as getting BIH.
5) If both you and your opponent end up with the same last pocket you can choose to select a different pocket at any time prior to any shot. All players have to agree on the new pocket designations prior to shooting again, but you do not have to do this immediately upon making your last object ball.
6) If both players scratch 3 times in a row the game is declared a stalemate and played over again. (Usually this happens if the 8 ball ends up deep into a pocket that is not the last pocket for either player) There is no limit however to how many times a single player can scratch.

HTH

*** EDITED TO CORRECT DUMB ASS MISTAKES ***
 
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Thanks a ton. The guy who introduced us was from Misssouri orginally and grew up playing it. We never got all th rules out of him before he unfortuneatly passed away. I'll probably PM and post ?s in this thread so others can try this variation. Do you guys also play "last pocket" on the 8?
 
The way I learned this game is the 8-ball had to be pocketed in the same pocket as your 1 or 15. It is a fun variation and certainly adds a different twist to the strategy.
 
shag_fu said:
Thanks a ton. The guy who introduced us was from Misssouri orginally and grew up playing it. We never got all th rules out of him before he unfortuneatly passed away. I'll probably PM and post ?s in this thread so others can try this variation. Do you guys also play "last pocket" on the 8?

Yes. Without the last pocket 9 Ball rule the 15/1 thing is not nearly as restrictive, because you never want to have to be playing the 8 into the side unless you absolutely have to.

I do know a very good player from Mexico who says they play this a lot there, perhaps some other Mexican players can confirm this?
 
It's funny that you mention the retirement community, I learnned it from some old guys at the Wyoming soldiers and sailors home when I was in high school. One old guy was on crutches and would only play one game a week by walking on his hands on the rails of the table. Pretty amazing how well he shot doing this. He was worn out after one game though.
 
Honest to God theres a local tourney here in SoCal that the youngest guy
in it last month was 75. There were two 90+ guys.

One guy had to quit a match because he forgot his medicine.

Anyway they play 1-15 "alabama" eight ball and some other strange rules.

They act like 8ball was played this way by everyone until the 70s. Most agree that different areas had different tweaks.

What was standard during the 40s-50s-60s?
 
shag_fu said:
Okay so we've all played bank the 8 or last pocket 8. Heres another 8-ball variation that has become popular in my area. Its called alabama 8ball.

I'm sure it's not called Alabama 8-ball in Alabama.

The 1948 rules of 8-ball had the requirement of the 1-ball in one side, and the 15-ball in the other side. So, many older players will still play this way.

1948 BCA 8-ball Rules

Fred
 
In my youth we played "1-15" 8-Ball all the time, I had completely forgotten the game until I read this thread. We never put any additional rules beyond straight 8-ball rules though, 1 ball had to go left side, 15 had to go right side. I was in Oklahoma so there was no way we would call it Alabama anything, being Sonner fans we couldn't name any game after another big-time college football state, LOL.
 
ditto aunty dan; played lot this way years ago, old man of 67yr, i try not to play 8 ball any more as there are to many house rules!!!! STICK
 
Cornerman said:
I'm sure it's not called Alabama 8-ball in Alabama.

The 1948 rules of 8-ball had the requirement of the 1-ball in one side, and the 15-ball in the other side. So, many older players will still play this way.

1948 BCA 8-ball Rules

Fred

Fred, that set of 1948 rules is very cool, thanks for finding that. Do you have the rest of them? What are the 9 Ball rules like? (Assuming they are even in there)
 
We used to play 1 and 15 in the side also. We didn't play it all the time, just when a group or pair of the best players were playing to make the game last a little longer (get your money's worth). Same with last pocket 8. We certainly never called it "Alabama" 8-ball. We always played it so that whoever made their one or fifteen first thus designated the pocket for the opponent (had to make it in the opposite side). We never nominated the sides before the game.
 
one rule I had forgotten earlier... you could shoot your 1 or 15 in for a respot, but you lost your turn if you did.
 
bsmutz said:
We used to play 1 and 15 in the side also. We didn't play it all the time, just when a group or pair of the best players were playing to make the game last a little longer (get your money's worth). Same with last pocket 8. We certainly never called it "Alabama" 8-ball. We always played it so that whoever made their one or fifteen first thus designated the pocket for the opponent (had to make it in the opposite side). We never nominated the sides before the game.

Yes, I had noticed how the tactical elements of this slows the game down. Racks can often take 20-30 minutes. I've heard most US Pool Halls used to charge per game rather than by the hour, so this deliberately slow variation makes some sense. This of course was prior to the widespread adoption of coin-op tables, on which you cannot play any games that might require an object ball to be spotted.
 
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