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CantEverWin

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When I was at the shooters tourney a couple of weeks ago I had a conversation with Davenport about jump que's. After he lost his first time to Parica. Parica had used a jump que on almost every shot that Kim had hooked him. On the smoking patio He let his displeasure be known by saying that the game of pool will be good again when they ban jump que's. Also stating that Parica is one of the best kickers in the world, and that he doesn't need the jump que.

I know it has been debated before, but what do you think.
It is easier to jump with the short que's, but do the top of our sport need the game made easier?

Mike
 
CantEverWin said:
I know it has been debated before, but what do you think.
It is easier to jump with the short que's, but do the top of our sport need the game made easier?

Mike
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I could take it either way.

The golf analogy is Gene Sarazan's sand wedge. The tennis analogy is the graphite racquets. The porn analogy is viagra.

Fred
 
thoughts

It is part of the game per the rules. Plainly, if Kim had
safetied him close enough to another ball, Parica would
not have been able to jump, would he? Evidently, he
was trying to trap Parica, and just did not get it done.
I would be interested in knowing of the total jumps, how
many balls were made when jumping.

So now, it is a matter of not just getting the cue ball
behind another ball, it is a matter of doing close enough
where your opponent can not jump out of it. So maybe
what it takes away from kicking overall, it adds in safety
play.
 
CantEverWin said:
When I was at the shooters tourney a couple of weeks ago I had a conversation with Davenport about jump que's. After he lost his first time to Parica. Parica had used a jump que on almost every shot that Kim had hooked him. On the smoking patio He let his displeasure be known by saying that the game of pool will be good again when they ban jump que's. Also stating that Parica is one of the best kickers in the world, and that he doesn't need the jump que.

I know it has been debated before, but what do you think.
It is easier to jump with the short que's, but do the top of our sport need the game made easier?

Mike
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The question was asked before the tournament strted and the TD's said that regulation jump cues were allowed.

Phenolic tips and the jump cue is part of the modern day game..

Also.....If your CB is played safe up against another ball...there is no way they are going to jump the ball.
 
I think that after players (philipinos) started making kick shots look really easy, you'd have to start leaving safeties without a good kick opportunity for your opponent. Nowadays you need to learn to play safe in a way that jumping is not an option or at least very difficult.

Jump shots and jump cues are a part of modern game and you need adapt accordingly. I don't see they being banned in near future. How about banning drivers in golf, because the player who can shoot really hard and use them well has an advantage over players who are not great using the driver.

And no, I'm not a great jumper... I prefer kicking at the ball. :rolleyes:
 
Snapshot9 said:
It is part of the game per the rules. Plainly, if Kim had
safetied him close enough to another ball, Parica would
not have been able to jump, would he? Evidently, he
was trying to trap Parica, and just did not get it done.
I would be interested in knowing of the total jumps, how
many balls were made when jumping.

So now, it is a matter of not just getting the cue ball
behind another ball, it is a matter of doing close enough
where your opponent can not jump out of it. So maybe
what it takes away from kicking overall, it adds in safety
play.
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I'm not a fan of jump cues, but I think they are here to stay so I deal with it. And as you said, SnapShot9, you have to tuck the cue ball closer to a object blocker or position the object ball on the far sde of a blocker so that jumping is no longer in the equation.
 
Jump cue's don't bother me either. I have a jump/break. There are time's that I will break it down and jump, but they are rare. Normaly if I jump I use my shooting cue.
However, the question still stand's as to whether or not we like the game getting easier for our sport's elite.
Jump cue's are part of the game. I accept that, but just because there are thing's that will help players in sports, does not mean they are to be allowed.

I believe the first match Parica jumped about 6 times. Made no ball, and fouled once. This was the first match, and I believe the numbers to be pretty right on. I didn't watch all of the 2nd match, but some parts I watch Parica used it again.


Mike
 
CantEverWin said:
Jump cue's don't bother me either. I have a jump/break. There are time's that I will break it down and jump, but they are rare. Normaly if I jump I use my shooting cue.
However, the question still stand's as to whether or not we like the game getting easier for our sport's elite.
Jump cue's are part of the game. I accept that, but just because there are thing's that will help players in sports, does not mean they are to be allowed.

I believe the first match Parica jumped about 6 times. Made no ball, and fouled once. This was the first match, and I believe the numbers to be pretty right on. I didn't watch all of the 2nd match, but some parts I watch Parica used it again.


Mike
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So jump cues are here to stay and makes it easier for the weaker player, so lets make all tounament pockets smaller not the buckets they are today. So now anyone can jump all the want, but the game will be easier for only the best.
 
I agree with most here. It sounds like sour grapes to me. Graphite tennis rackets, graphite hockey sticks, lighter more durable pads in football, every sport evolves along with the equipment. I mean, you could technically lump Predator shafts as a relatively recent equipment advance too, and I don't think anyone wants to ban those.
 
Snapshot9 said:
It is part of the game per the rules. Plainly, if Kim had
safetied him close enough to another ball, Parica would
not have been able to jump, would he? Evidently, he
was trying to trap Parica, and just did not get it done.
I would be interested in knowing of the total jumps, how
many balls were made when jumping.

So now, it is a matter of not just getting the cue ball
behind another ball, it is a matter of doing close enough
where your opponent can not jump out of it. So maybe
what it takes away from kicking overall, it adds in safety
play.
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I watched Max Eberle play Ernesto Dominguez and Max used his jump cue two times (that I saw) in the match...He made the ball both times and got shape for the run out...
 
Lol

Fred Agnir said:
I could take it either way.

The golf analogy is Gene Sarazan's sand wedge. The tennis analogy is the graphite racquets. The porn analogy is viagra.

Fred
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So what are you saying Fred? You like playing with a "stiff shaft"?
 
I'm surprized by the way you guys seem to relate things. Taking an existing product and making it better is not the same thing as creating a new product. A better putter is not the same as letting a golfer get on the ground and use a pool cue to knock it in the hole.

Football players don't have pads that repel defenders. Advancement that make's things safer, or that enable less wear and tear on the athlete is not the same as new tecnology.

Mike
 
CantEverWin said:
I'm surprized by the way you guys seem to relate things. Taking an existing product and making it better is not the same thing as creating a new product. A better putter is not the same as letting a golfer get on the ground and use a pool cue to knock it in the hole.

Football players don't have pads that repel defenders. Advancement that make's things safer, or that enable less wear and tear on the athlete is not the same as new tecnology.

Mike
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Jump cues have been around for a long time. A guy in my pool hall has a really old one made from a house cue. The but was cut, the shaft portion was cut for a thicker ferrule (bigger in dia.) and a non-leather hard tip.
 
CantEverWin said:
I'm surprized by the way you guys seem to relate things. Taking an existing product and making it better is not the same thing as creating a new product. A better putter is not the same as letting a golfer get on the ground and use a pool cue to knock it in the hole.

Football players don't have pads that repel defenders. Advancement that make's things safer, or that enable less wear and tear on the athlete is not the same as new tecnology.

Mike
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You mean a jump stick isn't just a shorter cuestick with a harder tip??? It's not like it's some kind of lever or spring loaded propeller.

It's not much different than a masse' cue, which has been around for long time. The pool cue itself is a bastardizationi of the mace. Should we go back to the mace??? After all, the mace was more similar to a putter. And someone went ahead and "got on the ground" with it's tail end to "knock it in the hole." LOL!!

Fred
 
CantEverWin said:
I'm surprized by the way you guys seem to relate things. Taking an existing product and making it better is not the same thing as creating a new product. A better putter is not the same as letting a golfer get on the ground and use a pool cue to knock it in the hole.

Football players don't have pads that repel defenders. Advancement that make's things safer, or that enable less wear and tear on the athlete is not the same as new tecnology.
Mike
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I have to agree with you CantEverWin, this is an old post from me in an old thread;
Golf has outlawed many clubs. There have been putters that have been outlawed, drivers that have been outlawed, and balls that have been outlawed. There are drivers and balls for that matter that can have the average joe hit the ball like Tiger Woods. There are cues out there that can have the average joe jump the ball like skilled pro player. They R called jump cues.
http://azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=3422&page=1&pp=15
 
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Without starting another of the long diatribes: Definition of safety....getting ball in hand! If jump cues are here to stay, I suggest you get better at using them or play better safes!! I feel that the better players use all shots, kicks, jumps, masse etc. anyway and last but not least, if you want industry support you can't outlaw thier product. The level of competition is rising....get use to it and stop looking for reasons why you lost other than the fact that you didn't execute as well as you would have liked. Have a good day
 
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