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miah g.

miah g.

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i have a question/perplexing situation. theres been a couple of times in tournaments that me and my opponent were both on the hill. a couple of times ive been the racker in the case game and i give the person a good rack and right as soon as i take the rack off the felt, i know, i just know that they are going to snap out on me. has this happened to anybody else? this has happened to me three times. thought this might be a good topic to maybe bring pool back to this forum. hava good one.
 
miah g. said:
i have a question/perplexing situation. theres been a couple of times in tournaments that me and my opponent were both on the hill. a couple of times ive been the racker in the case game and i give the person a good rack and right as soon as i take the rack off the felt, i know, i just know that they are going to snap out on me. has this happened to anybody else? this has happened to me three times. thought this might be a good topic to maybe bring pool back to this forum. hava good one.
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When I began playing pool, this happened to me often, and a couple of old timers showed me to place my cue across the table in front of the rack...angled from the corner pocket where I am racking towards the side pocket. Even though they may still break...I will not get hit , maybe a small ding in the cue...or...you can just take the cue ball and throw it back!
 
I think that this is just superstition. About the only thing you can look at is to make sure that the wing balls are frozen to the balls behind them because if there is a gap then often the nine will take off in that direction.

John
 
How about this: This afternoon - race to 3 - no spot balls. Loser breaks. I win the flip. I break and almost make the 9 in the corner. Almost, but nothing falls. My opponent has an easy shot on the 1 and the 2 is 6 inches from the 9 which is almost in the pocket. I lose. Game 2. almost the exact same thing only he has a slightly harder shot on the 1. I lose. Game 3 - I make a ball on the break and run through the 6 and stupidly hide myself from the 7. He gets bih and I lose. But things improved on the loser's side where I played him again and beat him and managed a 2nd place.

Seems my break works okay at home but in the tournaments lately they are coming up dry. Very frustrating.

But at least no one snaped in the 9 on the break on me today. It is never nice when someone does that to me, but when it is on double hill it is even worse. But I suggest that if your brain is telling you that the 9 is about to be snaped in on you, listen to it, change the balls around, do something, until that little voice shuts up. More often than not that voice is right. LOL

Jake
 
miah g. said:
i have a question/perplexing situation. theres been a couple of times in tournaments that me and my opponent were both on the hill. a couple of times ive been the racker in the case game and i give the person a good rack and right as soon as i take the rack off the felt, i know, i just know that they are going to snap out on me. has this happened to anybody else? this has happened to me three times. thought this might be a good topic to maybe bring pool back to this forum. hava good one.
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That is what slug racks are for. Nobody's going to give you a decent rack in that spot, why should you. :)
 
Big Louie said:
That is what slug racks are for. Nobody's going to give you a decent rack in that spot, why should you. :)
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If the winners of the game rack their own balls then this is a non issue.
 
I think it would be best if it's winner racks your own balls so this way it there would be no one to blame but yourself. Although it does hurt my back.....I must have a bad back now and i'm still young lol i lose alot lol
 
a slug rack ?????

Big Louie said:
That is what slug racks are for. Nobody's going to give you a decent rack in that spot, why should you. :)
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Let's see, why should I give my opponent a decent rack? Maybe self respect. Slug racking an opponent is the same as double hitting the cue ball,looking at your opponent and admitting it, but refusing to give them ball in hand because they didn't have a ref watching. If you gotta cheat go find a new game or try to practice a little harder. If you're worried about the other guy racking you, check his rack before you break. There are still people who believe in playing fair. Sam
 
satman said:
Let's see, why should I give my opponent a decent rack? Maybe self respect. Slug racking an opponent is the same as double hitting the cue ball,looking at your opponent and admitting it, but refusing to give them ball in hand because they didn't have a ref watching. If you gotta cheat go find a new game or try to practice a little harder. If you're worried about the other guy racking you, check his rack before you break. There are still people who believe in playing fair. Sam
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I played a match .We both on the hill I racked .And the man snap the 9 in O' well that is how the balls rolls sometimes.. :eek:
 
jjinfla said:
Seems my break works okay at home but in the tournaments lately they are coming up dry. Very frustrating.

Jake
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Tell me about it. I was playing in a big Jillians Seattle tourney a few weeks ago and this happened to me. I missed one tough combo attempt for the entire match....the only miss I had. But every time (but 1) I broke I didn't pocket a ball, the 9 was sitting in the hole and a low numbered ball was next to it. I lost the match 7-6 and he had 3 9ball combos and a snapped in 9. I ran out when open but couldn't overcome my break. Was good I did lose cause I had an easier road to the money through the losers...the guy that beat me didn't get in the money.
 
jjinfla said:
Seems my break works okay at home but in the tournaments lately they are coming up dry. Very frustrating.

Jake
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Jake, I used to have this problem alot. I kinda found a way to fix it. At home make sure you break from alot of different spots, and try to get good results from different spots. If you always just break from the same sweat spot at your home table, it may seem like you are running out all the time. Get used to working with different breaking spots, and you will be able to handle the slug racks, or not potting balls like you do at home.

JAS
 
Let's get back to the original question...about snapping the break right after the rack is lifted. The solution I found was to take the CB down to the racking end with me, and lay my cue accross the table. Then when I finish, I pick up my cue and roll the CB down the table. If they didn't get the point before they will get it now. When they ask for the CB, tell them exactly why you have been keeping at the racking end. This should put a stop to it!!
 
If you want to drastically cut down on the 9 going in on the break just make sure that the two balls behind the nine are frozen to the nine. Unless it gets kicked by another ball, it usually stays in place. If you want to see how this works just rack up 9 balls and leave a gap behind one of them. Then break and see which way the cue ball goes. Almost always to the side that had the gap. The only nines that get snapped on me are when I get lazy and don't watch for the gaps or if it gets kicked in by another ball.
 
i wasnt talking about the balls being broken as i was putting the rack up. i was trying to see if anybody else has had a feeling that as you bring the rack away from the balls and you just have a bad feeling that it your opponent would snap out. although people that dont wait for you to get away from the table when they are breaking should be tarred and feathered. lol.
 
miah g. said:
i wasnt talking about the balls being broken as i was putting the rack up. i was trying to see if anybody else has had a feeling that as you bring the rack away from the balls and you just have a bad feeling that it your opponent would snap out. although people that dont wait for you to get away from the table when they are breaking should be tarred and feathered. lol.
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Oh, Okay!! Inever even think about that. I just rack them like I would rack for myself. If the nine goes in, I rerack. When you are worried about that, it will distract you from what you should be focused on, ya know?
 
I think what Miah G means is that if it is an important rack, and you rack them, do you get a bad feeling that the person breaking will acuse you of putting together a dud rack...head ball not frozen to other balls.....do you get accused of it even if the balls are frozen.
 
BeeMan said:
I think what Miah G means is that if it is an important rack, and you rack them, do you get a bad feeling that the person breaking will acuse you of putting together a dud rack...head ball not frozen to other balls.....do you get accused of it even if the balls are frozen.
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I really could care less what they accuse me of. I know that I try to giver everybody the rack I would want. I don't purposely stiff anyone. I think allot of times the breaker hits them bad and doesn't want to admit it!
 
IMHO, there is no way to complain that the rack was bad _after_ the break shot. If I suspect my opponent is making a bad rack on purpose/by accident I just walk over to the rack and inspect the rack. Very simple. There is no official rule that a new rack has to be granted if the balls don't spread out well. If you want a good and tight rack every single time, you have to just walk over and take a look at the rack. It's very common to inspect the rack in international tournaments, at least on Eurotour it's very common and no one is offended if his/hers rack is inspected. Only the players with bad attitude and cheater's mind are offended if their rack is inspected. Honest players just shrug and apologize for a bad rack... Sometimes the balls move after you have completed a perfect rack. Once my opponent took a time-out on his break and I made a perfect rack before he went to the bathroom. When he returned 5 min later he said that I made a bad rack. And yes, the balls had moved somehow during that 5 minutes, because there were gaps that weren't there when I took the triangle out and took my seat....

I know that there are a few top European players who sometimes make bad rack on purpose, I've played against a couple of them... One player (European Champion, here nameless) I was playing in Eurotour and I had to ask every single time to make a better rack because he constantly had a gap between the head ball and the next two balls. On purpose of course, because he thought that I was just a rookie... Other players have also complained about this same guy about the same problem.
 
To answer the original question, the best solution is to lay your cue on the table rack the balls then pick your cue up (from the side of the table if need be) if the guy's real impatient you can always rack the balls and sit down (leaving your cue on the table). The phantom question everyone answered (loose racks), if I have someone that is constantly giving me bad racks I'll stand there and stare at the pack until they get it right.
 
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