Are precise snookers in pool more difficult?

[DaWizard]

It seems that in snooker the players make much more precise snookers. To illustrate:

Ofcourse these are rare, perfect shots. But they do try to find lines where they end up just behind an object ball.

In pool it doesnt happen very often that a safety shot goes a couple rails and ends up glued behind another ball. Why is that?

With bigger balls and a smaller table I would assume it's more easy. Or are these shots too risky and do the pool players instead opt for a relatively easy but certain safety?

Or is it a matter of perception? They play equally tight snookers but we see/appreciate them more in snooker?

Or a matter of more focus on snookers in their practice?

 

[The_JV]

Ofcourse these are rare, perfect shots. But they do try to find lines where they end up just behind an object ball.

"Rare" isn't the word I'd use to rate the frequency of lock down snookers pros pull off on the big table. I'd go with "usually", or "more often than not"...lol

In pool it doesnt happen very often that a safety shot goes a couple rails and ends up glued behind another ball. Why is that?

Snooker players are better. There, I said it.

You may also want to alter whatever pool content your paying attention to. I witness multi-rail safeties at a steady rate in my local room.

I do find however that "pool" players with snooker backgrounds tend to be a bit more dialed in on utilizing rails to generate safes. The first example in the video you posted is something I do after a warm up to get a better feel for the spd of the tables I'm on.

With bigger balls and a smaller table I would assume it's more easy. Or are these shots too risky and do the pool players instead opt for a relatively easy but certain safety?

Or is it a matter of perception? They play equally tight snookers but we see/appreciate them more in snooker?

Maybe... Consider the snooker player only need make contact to the snookered ball, and usually just generating some space afterward is a return "safe". Pool requires rail contact afterward and a return safe when only two balls are on the table is unlikely. To me this means pool players can be sloppy on safes and expect good returns.

Snooker 101 is intense practice attempting foul generating safes with only a few balls on the table. It's not an easy thing to do but a necessary skill.

Or a matter of more focus on snookers in their practice?

^^^this

 

[SJpilot]

2 reasons I can think of off the top of my head both make you shoot a shit ton more safetys in snooker.

First is the pockets are tough because of the radius vs a flat face on a pool table pocket. Lots of those long table almost straight in shots or cuts down a rail are damn near impossible on a snooker table but easy on a pool table. So on a pool table you'd just run those out rather than trying to hook someone.

The other reason is the scoring system where you may need to get snookers if you're down and there's not enough points on the table.


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[DaWizard]

I witness multi-rail safeties at a steady rate in my local room.

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Maybe... Consider the snooker player only need make contact to the snookered ball, and usually just generating some space afterward is a return "safe". Pool requires rail contact afterward and a return safe when only two balls are on the table is unlikely. To me this means pool players can be sloppy on safes and expect good returns.

Snooker 101 is intense practice attempting foul generating safes with only a few balls on the table. It's not an easy thing to do but a necessary skill.

Multi rail safeties we see indeed, but they don't often end up precisely behind an object ball. Which any pool player would love as it almost guarantees to win a rack.

Maybe the risk of playing too hard and ruining the safety is part of the probleem?

 

[straightline]

Most players are pretty half assed about tight safeties. There has to be a complete independence of speed from line(s) and vice versa for starters. There is not much reason to play with such intensity when merely keeping it tough for the long haul will suffice. The snooker players have more of a handle on those tight snookers because they often lag those very lines; having only to make contact.

 

[George the Greek]

When you play snooker on a 6x12 the ball patterns are generally the same frame after frame vs the balls all over the place playing 8/9/10 ball on a smaller surface. You can roll up to the pack or an object ball ( other than a free ball) without having to drive a ball to a rail.

 

[The_JV]

When you play snooker on a 6x12 the ball patterns are generally the same frame after frame vs the balls all over the place playing 8/9/10 ball on a smaller surface. You can roll up to the pack or an object ball ( other than a free ball) without having to drive a ball to a rail.

sry... what does this have to do with snooker players generally being more adept at multi-rail CB movement for safeties..?

 

[Swighey]

sry... what does this have to do with snooker players generally being more adept at multi-rail CB movement for safeties..?

A lot

 

[George the Greek]

sry... what does this have to do with snooker players generally being more adept at multi-rail CB movement for safeties..?

I guess I should've replied to the poster above me. Snookers/safeties in pool are tougher since you have to hit a rail with the object/cb or other ball or your giving up ball in hand.

 

[DaWizard]

Maybe in snooker it is basically the same bunch of lines they have to follow, in a bunch of variations?

I'm not sure if the lines in pool are that more different. Lots of the same patterns, in different variations, as well.

 

[Swighey]

Maybe in snooker it is basically the same bunch of lines they have to follow, in a bunch of variations?

I'm not sure if the lines in pool are that more different. Lots of the same patterns, in different variations, as well.

There are way more lines in pool. Snooker is a very simple game at the elite level where the colours tend to stay on or near their spots and the play is around the reds. In pool there is far more variation in terms of layouts.

At the mere mortal level, however, snooker can be complete chaos.

 

[The_JV]

I guess I should've replied to the poster above me. Snookers/safeties in pool are tougher since you have to hit a rail with the object/cb or other ball or your giving up ball in hand.

...but we're talking about multi rail movement of the CB to perform the safety. So in context the "added difficulty" is moot. yes/no?

...and you think it's easier to perform a +24ft shot around the table and position behind snooker ball then it is to same on the notably smaller pool table...? (~18ft <-assuming 9fter)

Odd logic...

 

[The_JV]

A lot

nope

 

[The_JV]

There are way more lines in pool. Snooker is a very simple game at the elite level where the colours tend to stay on or near their spots and the play is around the reds. In pool there is far more variation in terms of layouts.

At the mere mortal level, however, snooker can be complete chaos.

Are we still talking about playing safeties...?

 

[DaveK]

I only watched the first 3, but expect the rest are similar. These are "two way" safe shots. While the ones shown spectacularly get balls hidden, if they did not they still have the distance element. If you watch a lot of snooker you will see safety battles where players try repeatedly to hide balls, but don't ... they still end up safe due to the length / angle of what remains ... then the next player up does the same ... and sometimes you get a gem like those shown in the video.

Dave

 

[u12armresl]

It seems that in snooker the players make much more precise snookers. To illustrate:

Ofcourse these are rare, perfect shots. But they do try to find lines where they end up just behind an object ball.

In pool it doesnt happen very often that a safety shot goes a couple rails and ends up glued behind another ball. Why is that?

With bigger balls and a smaller table I would assume it's more easy. Or are these shots too risky and do the pool players instead opt for a relatively easy but certain safety?

Or is it a matter of perception? They play equally tight snookers but we see/appreciate them more in snooker?

Or a matter of more focus on snookers in their practice?

Part of it is you don't need a ball and then a rail.

 

[George the Greek]

...but we're talking about multi rail movement of the CB to perform the safety. So in context the "added difficulty" is moot. yes/no?

...and you think it's easier to perform a +24ft shot around the table and position behind snooker ball then it is to same on the notably smaller pool table...? (~18ft <-assuming 9fter)

Odd logic...

I played snooker for the most part and could multi rail to get out of snookers pretty efficiently without giving up a shot. It's pretty easy in pool to give up or get a shot from a snooker due to needing to get a rail.

 

[DaveK]

Part of it is you don't need a ball and then a rail.

None of the "10 best" were roll-ups. Certainly as pointed out by George the Greek escapes are easier in snooker due to not needing a rail after contact, but the lock-up snookers are not IMO.

Dave

 

[DaWizard]

Yeah the point is not getting out of a snooker. The point is about locking the balls up after a multi rail shot.

Pretty common in snooker, quite rare in pool.

While in pool if you pull it off it is a big chance to get a shot or ba in hand. Id say there is quite the incentive to become as good as a snooker player in creating such snookers?

But we hardly see them in pro play.
Multi rail safeties, yes. But a snooker that ends up just behind an object ball - not so often.

 

[George the Greek]

Yeah the point is not getting out of a snooker. The point is about locking the balls up after a multi rail shot.

Pretty common in snooker, quite rare in pool.

While in pool if you pull it off it is a big chance to get a shot or ba in hand. Id say there is quite the incentive to become as good as a snooker player in creating such snookers?

But we hardly see them in pro play.
Multi rail safeties, yes. But a snooker that ends up just behind an object ball - not so often.

I would think the speed of the cloth/rails/size and weight of pool balls are a big factor in not freezing up as much.