BCA 9-ball - Too much scoring required!

[Billy_Bob]

I don't mind keeping score for BCA 8-ball, but am getting disgusted with keeping score for BCA 9-ball.

Our system is 3 players on each team, each plays 3 matches per round, and play 3 rounds. So 9 games for each person per tournament.

With our BCA 9-ball, the scoring is complex in that you need to record who makes which ball for *each* and *every* game, then record how many wins and total balls each player made. That is a lot of "bookkeeping"!

The other players on my teams mess everything up when they keep score, so I have to do it all myself if I want to go home early. If they keep score, our sheet does not jive with our opponents score sheet, then we need to find the errors - and this can take quite a while - one time almost an hour to correct the mess.

Then we are faced with this at the end of the evening: "Who shot in the 5 ball in the 3rd match? Player A or Player B?" (One sheet says one thing and the other sheet says something else.)

So all I am doing is keeping score lately. I'm not concentrating on my playing one bit (no fun for me). All I want to do is go home.

When I play 9-ball at home or in a money tournament, it is a different story. I don't need to keep score, so I can concentrate on my playing and I have fun.

Seems to me there could be a better system. In the money tournaments, all that matters is who makes the 9 right?

So why not do this for BCA 9-ball as well? Just record who makes the 9 for each match. That's it. Then *everyone* could spend their time playing rather than spending so much time keeping score.

 

[jjinfla]

Geez, maybe I am better off that there is no BCA around here. Seems that the fun of the game got lost in the details. What stats are they keeping that it is necessary to know who made what ball? Jake

 

[Barbara]

Ditto on jjinfla about why they're so interested in who made which ball.

The APA just scores a point for each ball, 2 for the 9.

Barbara

 

[Fred Agnir]

I don't mind keeping score for BCA 8-ball, but am getting disgusted with keeping score for BCA 9-ball.

Before too many people who don't play BCA 9-ball raise too much of a stink, please understand that each local league can use whatever rules they want, but still be BCA-sanctioned. Other leagues do not score BCA 9-ball in such a point scoring manner. Yours is unique. Ours, for example, is a game count only.

For the National Tournament, it's a race to 10 games.

http://bcapoolleague.com/vegas/9ball.php

Fred

 

[Billy_Bob]

...What stats are they keeping that it is necessary to know who made what ball?

Well we get money back at the end of the season based on how many balls each player made. Then each team gets points based on how many balls they made. The team with the highest points (not wins) is in first place.

So a team can be in the situation where they do not win *any* games, say they break and run in all balls, but always miss on the 9, then they would get points for all the balls run, and get back money at the end of the season for every ball pocketed, and possibly win 1st place.

There are variations on this. One point for each ball and two points for the 9. Or one point for every ball except the 2, 4, and 6 which get no points, then 5 points for the 9 (places more emphasis on shooting in the 9).

This is good for beginners in that they are encouraged to make as many balls as possible, then get rewarded for it. But it does not realistically reflect money tournament 9-ball if you ask me.

I think everyone should be rewarded only for making the 9, as is done in the real world.

 

[Billy_Bob]

...Yours is unique. Ours, for example, is a game count only....

Please tell all!

How many players on each team?

Do you get points for 9-ball only?

Is there a copy of your score sheet anywhere on the internet?

Any pay back at end of season? How is this calculated? Trophies for 1st , 2nd, 3rd? (Or what do they do exactly?)

Fees charged?

Thanks!

 

[Snapshot9]

9 ball leagues

I don't really know if it is BCA or not, but the 9 ball
leagues around here just score the win. A 1 for the
win, or a 0 for the loss. 5 player teams, so a round
is always won, and then overall score.

Your averages run like 2.0, 2.7, 3.0, 3.2.

 

[pete lafond]

To often many of these leagues create a monster thinking they can minimize sandbagging. There is no magic system that makes everyone balanced. If you really want a fair system, then sell tickets and raffle winnings. Then have fun playing pool for the heck of it. The more stats, the more tools a sandbagger has to work with. And if you think they can not figure it out? They already have the moment they saw the info you collect.

Solution is a simple;

The players table:
Collect only games played and games won. Collect runs. ..this is all the info needed.

The Computer software should do the rest (or manually): Apply points for strength of match and importance of match.

Sandbaggers will always figure something out, so why create complex systems that requires scoring detailed information that really does nothing at all.

To the leagues out there; Keep it simple, keep it fun and pay out by position.

 

[Fred Agnir]

Please tell all!

How many players on each team?

Again, each league can do whatever they want. Our happens to have four players, but the National 9-ball Tournament has five players.

Do you get points for 9-ball only?

Yes... but in our league, we have rounds. So, winning a round gets so many points (in ours, 2 pts.) and winning with overall points wins so many points (in ours, it's 3 pts). This is similar to many 8-ball leagues out there.

Is there a copy of your score sheet anywhere on the internet?

Ours is very similar to the one presented by the BCA league:

BCA 9-ball Scoresheet

Our league operator/owner has made up a team handicap matrix to give some kind of sensible team handicap.

Any pay back at end of season?

Yes, in cash, trophies and trips to Vegas. Of course, like all BCA tournaments, we are free to pay our own way

You can check out the website at New England Billiard League. It is a dual sanctioned league, BCA and ACS.

Fred