Call 9-ball question

WestElder

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In a local 9-ball tournament you have to call the pocket on the 9-ball. If you sink it in another pocket it is spotted. The question is what should happen if it is the only ball on the table and you sink it in the wrong pocket. It gets spotted, but around here the player who sank it gets to shoot it again instead it being the other player's turn. Is that the way it's supposed to work?
 
I've always seen it played as the opponents turn after it gets spotted. Cue ball stays where it is.
 
It should be the opponent's shot. Why should the shooter get a second chance when he missed the first time?
 
If it is call pocket and you make it in a pocket that you did not call, it is a foul and you should lose your turn at the table just like in 8-ball.
 
seiyaryu55 said:
It should be the opponent's shot. Why should the shooter get a second chance when he missed the first time?

Maybe he didn't miss. Maybe he sank the 8-ball and bumped the 9-ball in. Then what should happen?

Cheers,
RC
 
sixpack said:
Maybe he didn't miss. Maybe he sank the 8-ball and bumped the 9-ball in. Then what should happen?

Cheers,
RC

in this case, shooter plays with cue ball in position.

if the shooter pockets the 9ball in the wrong pocket as the last ball on the table, his opponent shoots with cue ball in position and 9ball spotted.

i believe the same goes if the shooter incorrectly pockets a 9ball combo/carom with no other balls on the table being pocketed on the same shot.
 
WestElder said:
In a local 9-ball tournament you have to call the pocket on the 9-ball. If you sink it in another pocket it is spotted. The question is what should happen if it is the only ball on the table and you sink it in the wrong pocket. It gets spotted, but around here the player who sank it gets to shoot it again instead it being the other player's turn. Is that the way it's supposed to work?
There isn't a written rule, since there isn't a "call the 9-ball" ruleset.

Our league, however, has the call 9-ball. The LO's rule is that if another ball is pocketed on a legal hit, the player continues shooting. If only the 9-ball drops, but it drops in another pocket, the shooter's inning ends.

IMO, this doesn't flow with the current rules. I think if you're going to "call the 9-ball," then on that call 9-ball shot, the standard rules of call shot should be in play. That is, you only continue if you made the ball in the pocket you called. In this case, only a 9-ball in the pocket that you called would be a good shot.

Fred
 
bsmutz said:
If it is call pocket and you make it in a pocket that you did not call, it is a foul and you should lose your turn at the table just like in 8-ball.
I don't think you meant "foul." It would be an illegally pocketed ball.

Fred
 
Thanks for the responses. The rule will probably be changed to the view you all agree on when this gets back together in the fall.

Dave
 
This came up in the 1993 US Open with Johnny Archer vs. Buddy Hall. Archer insisted that he it was his turn to shoot again, but they gave the turn to Buddy.
 
mattman said:
This came up in the 1993 US Open with Johnny Archer vs. Buddy Hall. Archer insisted that he it was his turn to shoot again, but they gave the turn to Buddy.

Yes and no. I don't believe this was a US Open, but rather an ESPN specialty. Either a Challenge of Champions or some other ESPN challenge.

Johnny called a corner pocket, and the 9-ball ran around and went into the side, IIRC. This type of problem should have been clarified and correct the very next time ESPN decided to do this call 9-ball calamity. Something that makes sense for both:

  1. only pocketing anothe object ball when playing the 9-ball
  2. only pocketing the 9-ball when playing the 9-ball, but in the wrong pocket.

IMO, both should result in the same thing, I don't care which. (Actually, I'd vote for loss of turn, since that makes sense with call shot games.)

Fred
 
in the challenge of champions you have to call the 9....if they dont call it they lose there turn with the opponent shooting where the cue ball lies and the 9 ball spotted...
 
mattman said:
This came up in the 1993 US Open with Johnny Archer vs. Buddy Hall. Archer insisted that he it was his turn to shoot again, but they gave the turn to Buddy.


this also came up in a match between Corey Deuel and Alex Pagulayan. Alex forgot to call the pocket. Corey picked up the cue ball thinking that it was a BIH foul. Alex reclaimed the possession after Corey fouled.
 
Cornerman said:
Yes and no. I don't believe this was a US Open, but rather an ESPN specialty. Either a Challenge of Champions or some other ESPN challenge.
I stand corrected. I checked my index and it was the Challenge of Champions and the year was 1992 and not 1993. Archer did not challenge the fact the ball needed to be spotted, just who's turn was next. I also agree, it should be loss of turn.
 
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