Can this be fixed or do I need a new shaft before Vegas?

[glfgd82]

Last night I heard a weird sound and my team mate also noted it. Check the tip and it looked fine but then I could see light between the insert and the carbon fiber tube. I could push it back in but curiosity got the best of me and I wrapped a cloth around it and pulled out the insert. Some of the cotton the maker of the shaft inserted into the tip end also came out.

Can I just clean up the insert and re epoxy it back in? What would you suggest I use to install? Headed to Vegas for APA team in 2 weeks and I'd like to keep this shaft usable as it's a custom length (31.5") that I'm really used to now.

Thank you

 

[Michael Webb]

I would get it to a qualified repair person as soon as possible for both issues. Proper fit needs to be examined as well as the proper steps and epoxy to repair it.

 

[GBCues]

When carbon fiber shafts are made, the cf thread or tape is wound onto a mandrel. That mandrel is coated with a release agent. Some of that release agent sticks to the inside of the shaft and if it is not removed, epoxy won't stick very well. That is what appears to have happened in this case. So the first thing is to wipe out the inside of that insert area with alcohol - I would use denatured, but isopropyl should also work. It would be best if you put that insert on a lathe and cut some glue notches in it to better hold the insert in. But, yes you can epoxy it back in, you just have to be careful to get the insert back in in the same position it came out of.
My 2 cents

 

[glfgd82]

When carbon fiber shafts are made, the cf thread or tape is wound onto a mandrel. That mandrel is coated with a release agent. Some of that release agent sticks to the inside of the shaft and if it is not removed, epoxy won't stick very well. That is what appears to have happened in this case. So the first thing is to wipe out the inside of that insert area with alcohol - I would use denatured, but isopropyl should also work. It would be best if you put that insert on a lathe and cut some glue notches in it to better hold the insert in. But, yes you can epoxy it back in, you just have to be careful to get the insert back in in the same position it came out of.
My 2 cents

My friend does do tip work at the pool hall and has a lathe, is there a specific Epoxy that works best for these inserts into the CF tube? This wasn't an expensive shaft so I'm ok with trying it myself with my friends knowledge, worst case scenario I have to pick up a new CF and I'll just use my brand new 314-3 with an extension for a bit.

Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it.

 

[Michael Webb]

My friend does do tip work at the pool hall and has a lathe, is there a specific Epoxy that works best for these inserts into the CF tube? This wasn't an expensive shaft so I'm ok with trying it myself with my friends knowledge, worst case scenario I have to pick up a new CF and I'll just use my brand new 314-3 with an extension for a bit.

Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it.

That definately makes him qualified.

 

[GBCues]

My friend does do tip work at the pool hall and has a lathe, is there a specific Epoxy that works best for these inserts into the CF tube? This wasn't an expensive shaft so I'm ok with trying it myself with my friends knowledge, worst case scenario I have to pick up a new CF and I'll just use my brand new 314-3 with an extension for a bit.

Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it.

I agree with Michael, you friend is qualiied to help you. Show him this thread so he knows what you know. I would say West Systems epoxy or Devcon 2-Ton/2-Hour epoxy. You want something that cures slow for better adhesion (after you clean out the inside wall of the shaft). Since he has a lathe, he can true up the tip after its glued back in.

 

[Michael Webb]

I agree with Michael, you friend is qualiied to help you. Show him this thread so he knows what you know. I would say West Systems epoxy or Devcon 2-Ton/2-Hour epoxy. You want something that cures slow for better adhesion (after you clean out the inside wall of the shaft). Since he has a lathe, he can true up the tip after its glued back in.

I was being sarcastic!
There is alot more to repairing this than just putting on a tip.
But I do wish him Good luck

 

[cueman]

Any decent repairman should be able to glue that back together for you.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Last night I heard a weird sound and my team mate also noted it. Check the tip and it looked fine but then I could see light between the insert and the carbon fiber tube. I could push it back in but curiosity got the best of me and I wrapped a cloth around it and pulled out the insert. Some of the cotton the maker of the shaft inserted into the tip end also came out.

Can I just clean up the insert and re epoxy it back in? What would you suggest I use to install? Headed to Vegas for APA team in 2 weeks and I'd like to keep this shaft usable as it's a custom length (31.5") that I'm really used to now.

Thank you


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Who would have thought I assumed as pricy as CF was it had no problems.

 

[Michael Webb]

Who would have thought I assumed as pricy as CF was it had no problems

Look at the picture. It was destined to fail over time.
NO GLUE RINGS FOR ONE!
Insert pulled out.
Why?
2nd part
Joint brass insert came loose.
Why?
Define where the faults came from. THEN, you'll know how to repair it.

 

[glfgd82]

I was being sarcastic!
There is alot more to repairing this than just putting on a tip.
But I do wish him Good luck

My friend actually noted the same things that were suggested in this thread. He does some repair work and is expanding what he can fix all the time. We are going to true up the fit, clean thoroughly, put in the glue rings and epoxy back together and see what happens. Worst case scenario he has a shaft to learn on and I get a new one, best case is he learned more repair work and can now offer more help to the players in the area.

 

[Michael Webb]

My friend actually noted the same things that were suggested in this thread. He does some repair work and is expanding what he can fix all the time. We are going to true up the fit, clean thoroughly, put in the glue rings and epoxy back together and see what happens. Worst case scenario he has a shaft to learn on and I get a new one, best case is he learned more repair work and can now offer more help to the players in the area.

Now your talking my kind of talk.