caroms game called Philadelphia

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thekid77

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i read about this game in a book...the rack is a 15 ball triangle with the cueball as the head ball...the one is used to break with and from there any ball can be shot into the cueball. the object of the game is to pocket all of the object balls off of the cueball...

does anyone have comprehensive rules to this game, for example, where do you place the cueball if it goes into a pocket? and if you make the cueball go into a pocket after a successful carom, does the player continue to shoot, or is it the other persons turn?

if anyone can help me, it'd be greatly appreciated...thanks guys and Happy New Year!!! )))))
 
Something similar is in the book "How to Hustle Your Friends at Pool" by Art Tully. This is called, in the book, Scottish Pool. I'll have to type it up and cut/paste it in a post, or pm it to you. It'll take a while;)
 
Here ya go!!

Scottish Pool

The 15 balls are racked as in the game of 8 ball and the first player {determined by coin toss, lag, or winner of last game} breaks the rack. Any balls pocketed on the break are respotted. If the cue ball was not scratched on the break, the breaking player continues to shoot.
Points are scored in this game by cueing the object balls, making them on a billiard off the cue ball. If the cue ball is inadvertently pocketed, it constitutes a scratch and any balls pocketed on the shot must be respotted along with a one ball penalty. If the offending player has counted no balls yet, no penalty is assessed. Object balls are respotted on a line from the foot spot to the middle of the foot rail, as close to the foot spot as possible. The cue ball is respotted on the head spot.
The player shooting must specify the ball to be made and the pocket in which it will be made. Rails and secondary billiards need not be specified. {In other words, no slop except that other balls made on the same shot as a called ball are retained by the player} The first player or team to accumulate a count of 8 balls wins the game.
The general rules of pocket billiards govern the balance of the game.

I’ve never played this or even seen it played, that I can recall. I personally think that if you scratch before scoring any balls, you should owe one. I think I've heard this referred to as "Kiss Pool", but like I said, I don't ever remember seeing it played.
 
thekid77 said:
i read about this game in a book...the rack is a 15 ball triangle with the cueball as the head ball...the one is used to break with and from there any ball can be shot into the cueball. the object of the game is to pocket all of the object balls off of the cueball...

does anyone have comprehensive rules to this game, for example, where do you place the cueball if it goes into a pocket? and if you make the cueball go into a pocket after a successful carom, does the player continue to shoot, or is it the other persons turn?

if anyone can help me, it'd be greatly appreciated...thanks guys and Happy New Year!!! )))))
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Irish Pool... Check Out Byrnes Advanced book it has rules for it.. =)
 
thekid77 said:
i read about this game in a book...the rack is a 15 ball triangle with the cueball as the head ball...the one is used to break with and from there any ball can be shot into the cueball. the object of the game is to pocket all of the object balls off of the cueball...

does anyone have comprehensive rules to this game, for example, where do you place the cueball if it goes into a pocket? and if you make the cueball go into a pocket after a successful carom, does the player continue to shoot, or is it the other persons turn?

if anyone can help me, it'd be greatly appreciated...thanks guys and Happy New Year!!! )))))
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I introduced this game to our fellow AZ'er Joe Koontz and he loves it. (I love it as a matter of fact.) It's a great game but kind hard to play in a public venue as everyone will ask, "What kinda game is this?" With continual interruptions.

Kiss pool or Loop is a game created by Willie Jopling. Heres a link with the rules and such:

http://www.onepocket.org/JoplingInterview.htm
 
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I'll post the rules from the link as well.

BILLIARD POOL, KISS POOL or LOOP

Billiard Pool is played on a pocket billiard table and should not be confused with Billiards. Its common name is Kiss Pool. This game may be played like straight pool to fifty or one-hundred points or like one pocket with the winner making eight balls out of a rack of fifteen. Loop is pool spelled backwards.

Object of Game: To strike an object ball with your cue stick and carom it off the cue ball and into a pocket. You must call the pocket for each shot. The numbered ball you strike with your cue stick is the only ball you can score with. You may shoot any numbered ball on the table.

Setup: The cue ball and fourteen numbered balls are racked at the foot of the table with the cue ball in the rack on the foot spot. The fifteenth ball is then placed on the head spot and used as a break ball. When playing a point game such as fifty or one-hundred points, all fifteen balls are pocketed. Then the balls are re-racked as before and the shooter has the break shot to continue his run. Each break shot is always off the head spot. The total of the scores in each rack add up to fifteen.

Break: The break is to the advantage and the breaker caroms the break ball off the cue ball into one of the comer pockets at the foot of the table. The breaker continues to carom numbered balls off the cue ball until he either misses or scratches. Then it is your turn at the table and you may shoot any numbered ball calling the pocket for each shot.

Scratches: Generally, Straight Pool rules apply, You scratch if you: pocket the cue ball; do not hit the cue ball; fail to hit a rail or pocket the object ball; jump the cue ball off the table. If you scratch and make a ball on the same shot you spot the one you made and you lose one for the scratch. When your opponent scratches the cue ball into the pocket it is spotted and you may shoot any numbered ball on the table.

Additional Rules: The cue ball is always spotted on or behind the foot spot. All numbered balls are spotted on or ahead of the head spot. The numbered ball you strike with your cue stick is the only ball you can score with. All shots must go in clean as in Bank Pool. Kisses or combinations do not count. However, double kisses on the cue ball are allowed only if they are called. Any stray balls pocketed from the force of the cue ball are spotted after each inning. Each ball legally pocketed is one point.

Scoring: Playing a point game like Straight Pool you are penalized a ball for each scratch or foul. Should you make a ball and scratch you spot the ball you made and take one off your score for the scratch. If you scratch without making a ball you just take one off your score. In the first rack you must keep track of your scratches and take them off your score at the end of that rack. When playing by the rack like One Pocket and you scratch you must spot the ball you made (if you made one) plus a ball for the scratch. This keeps the total scores at fifteen.

? 1978-1995 Willie Jopling

Reprinted with permission from Willie Jopling?s Book on Pocket Billiards
 
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This is a great game...I love it....Infact I played Philidelphia with a young kid in Sioux Falls SD and I got SMOKED...LOL
 
I have heard it called Philadelphia - as well as "(Insert just about any nationality)-pool", but never knew all the rules. I will mix in a few 9 ball racks shot this way in rotation to practice caroms and combos (which are apparently not allowed).

Jonny B.
 
snowmon34 said:
This is a great game...I love it....Infact I played Philidelphia with a young kid in Sioux Falls SD and I got SMOKED...LOL
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Were his initials something like this: SVB. LOL!
 
great game. I have a very old book of english billiards and started playing this game on the pool table to try making some of the shots outlined in the book.
I play it when I need a change or usually just for practice. I play if the cue goes in it gets spotted on the center spot, no penalty. A lot of shots should be hit with reverse spin so that when it gets to where it is going it will spin itself into the pocket.
This game will get lots of attention at the pool hall.
steven
 
Philidelphia/Skittle

Great practice game this is something you can really learn something from.

I also use it when my practice gets a little mundane.
 
This game sounds alot like a variation of American style Pyramid (Russian Billiards)

I don't know if this is the case or not, but it sounds like a good game to try out, although I wouldn't be shooting it at a room that's got centennial balls and simonis 760 cloth :)

Willie
 
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I distinctly remember Stalev absolutely destroying me in this game.

It was brutal.

Not only was he making 2 and 3 rail caroms off the cue ball and calling them, he was playing cueball position, setting up for the next shot.

It was as bad of an ass kicking as i have ever received.
 
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