CB speed and OB throw?

[Mitchxout]

How does speed affect object ball throw? On Dr Dave's great site he has calculations for ob throw at different speeds. He also demonstrates the difference in aiming cut shots with stun vs. draw and top. These are shots with no side English.

Dr Dave is helpful but only touches on each point. I would like to know the rest of the story. What are your opinions or facts on how cb speed affects aim on different degrees of cut?

Most players prefer to hit everything at relatively the same speed but not the same speed as each other. So, there's no one perfect ball pocketing speed?

Knowing the cb condition at impact is key and I occasionally guess wrong. Either accidental stun or stun that wears off is a problem for me, especially on long shots.

Also, when tryimg to hit stop shots on an angle, if the stun barely wears wont it cause an overcut?

However, isn't this a harder way to play pool than "spinning" balls in? If low and outside are combined, the outside persists, no?

 

[ENGLISH!]

As a player, I don't think one should really be overly concerned with all that beyond knowing about collision & spin induced throw.

If one knows about them, I think one will acclimate as to how the different speeds might affect the results without having to be too consciously concerned with it.

That said, I sometimes miss a soft shot by not making enough of an adjustment. That said, I don't think anyone is perfect.

I hope you find that for which you're looking,

Best Wishes,
Rick

PS I have been spinning balls in with low outside for more than 4 decades.

 

[Mitchxout]

Thank you for your reply. After a lifetime of spinning cut shots with low outside, I've found more consistency simply using low, for example. Mostly, I was curious why most good players don't do this.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Thank you for your reply. After a lifetime of spinning cut shots with low outside, I've found more consistency simply using low, for example. Mostly, I was curious why most good players don't do this.

Well...when cutting shots using low, it does allow one to use more stroke & not have the cue ball running all over the place.

The Touch of Inside that CJ Wiley brought out here a while back has a similar effect for a different reason.

Best,
Rick

 

[Mitchxout]

Well...when cutting shots using low, it does allow one to use more stroke & not have the cue ball running all over the place.

The Touch of Inside that CJ Wiley brought out here a while back has a similar effect for a different reason.

Best,
Rick

TOI worked ok for me but I still get better results with center.

 

[randyg]

Thank you for your reply. After a lifetime of spinning cut shots with low outside, I've found more consistency simply using low, for example. Mostly, I was curious why most good players don't do this.

I think most players cut a ball with what ever the cue ball calls for.

randyg

 

[Mitchxout]

I think most players cut a ball with what ever the cue ball calls for.

randyg

They have a "go-to" and it's usually low and outside.

 

[Mitchxout]

I think most players cut a ball with what ever the cue ball calls for.

randyg

What the cue ball calls for depends on the player. The cueball condition changes as it travels down the table. Every cueball is trying to return to natural roll. Cueing off center delays this action. For example , it's possible shots struck low and outside, will simply be rolling at the moment of impact. This is only one example that causes me to ask why hit off center in the first place? Is it more advantageous to roll curve balls down the table? Tennis players hit big curves on 2nd serves for accuracy. Bowlers pick up spares with big curving arcs as well. In pool, is a curving cueball more accurate than trying to hit straight? I can do either but I'm more consistent trying shoot a straight cueball. Maybe this is the reason I'm not a pro? Lol

 

[FranCrimi]

How does speed affect object ball throw? On Dr Dave's great site he has calculations for ob throw at different speeds. He also demonstrates the difference in aiming cut shots with stun vs. draw and top. These are shots with no side English.

Dr Dave is helpful but only touches on each point. I would like to know the rest of the story. What are your opinions or facts on how cb speed affects aim on different degrees of cut?

Most players prefer to hit everything at relatively the same speed but not the same speed as each other. So, there's no one perfect ball pocketing speed?

Knowing the cb condition at impact is key and I occasionally guess wrong. Either accidental stun or stun that wears off is a problem for me, especially on long shots.

Also, when tryimg to hit stop shots on an angle, if the stun barely wears wont it cause an overcut?

However, isn't this a harder way to play pool than "spinning" balls in? If low and outside are combined, the outside persists, no?

I think low outside is commonly used by the pros because it allows the player to control the speed of the cb, at the same time, helping it to follow it's natural path, (providing it's running english --- because sometimes, outside can be reverse).

I think it's the most common and comfortable combination of spin and speed control, and I use it all the time and wouldn't have it any other way. When you use it a lot, I find that adjusting for the squirt and swerve is pretty easy. If table conditions are tough on a particular day, such as dampness or worn out cloth, I will play closer to the center.

 

[Mitchxout]

I think low outside is commonly used by the pros because it allows the player to control the speed of the cb, at the same time, helping it to follow it's natural path, (providing it's running english --- because sometimes, outside can be reverse).

I think you can accomplish this with straight low.

I think it's the most common and comfortable combination of spin and speed control, and I use it all the time and wouldn't have it any other way. When you use it a lot, I find that adjusting for the squirt and swerve is pretty easy. If table conditions are tough on a particular day, such as dampness or worn out cloth, I will play closer to the center.

When conditions are clingy it would be wise to use "helping English." However, on new cloth with new, clean balls, I don't get the logic. Plus, you can let your stroke out a bit if you don't use outside (especially running) English.

 

[FranCrimi]

I think you can accomplish this with straight low.


When conditions are clingy it would be wise to use "helping English." However, on new cloth with new, clean balls, I don't get the logic. Plus, you can let your stroke out a bit if you don't use outside (especially running) English.

How new is the cloth? If it's brand new, yes, caution should be taken. But speaking from my experience in playing in tournaments on brand new cloth with brand new balls over the course of many years---- the conditions become favorable for spin after several hours of play ---- probably about a full day's worth of continuous play.

You may not be comfortable with spin, and it just may not suit your style of play which could be why you're having trouble with it. It's not for everyone.