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What are the top seven cues that hold their value, and the cue maker is still alive?
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May need to replace Mottey, White, and Tasc......with Showman, Mobley, and Tucker, imo. Maybe even replace Gina with Sugartree. Hercek's in there, too.
It's tough action trying keep a close handle on this stuff nowadays. It goes in cycles for sure.
Great list!
I guess the alive part is relative....
JV
Ah missed that part lol.
how about Danny Tibbitts then!!
What about him?
Good friend of mine might make it on this list lol
Good luck......i think he would probably stand a better chance getting a new cue from George Britner.
Funny thing danny said a few weeks back he wanted to make about 6-8 cues this year I said when pigs fly.
dead on i agree. especially mobley and tucker are superior players of the cues mentioned and a murrelll!
Ooh....oh....getting a cue made by Danny would be a rare treat.......what'ya think it would cost and what are the chances of making the cut to be on the list?
"Treat"....lol....maybe a curse, at least based on my experience with him.
I think your current cuemaker builds a superior cue now, at a much lower cost and obviously without the b.s, headaches, and lies. Order at your own risk with him. Here's a little something for anybody wanting to pay a deposit to "get on his list"....
My buddy Matt and I placed an order with Danny for 2 cues. We found out later that he had the gall to tell other customers behind our backs that he didn't want or intend to build our cues, all the while sitting on our deposits and stringing us along. Ultimately, I decided to go the route of requesting my deposit back because it became apparent I would never see the cue I ordered. That was nearly a decade after placing the order btw. Matt decided to hold out for another year or so to get a cue that Danny promised he would make. Not at all what he ordered, a plain 6-point, and Danny even tried to price gouge him on it when it was done. A pic of that cue is attached. Can you imagine a top tier maker letting a cue with a sugar mark like that out of their shop, let alone the antics, when a customer paid his deposit of nearly a grand and waited 10 years? I can't.
For this reason I could never recommend Danny as a maker through which to order a cue. Shame, too....he did build some nice cues back in the 90s. If you're considering one, the secondary market is the only safe route, imo.
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Holding their value
While I wont change my list of seven I do have some additional comments about this thread. Holding value is very vague and requires clarity.
I don't care who the cue maker is past or present. You must know the market for the said cue you are looking to buy. A original Balabushka, Gus Szamboti etc can be sold at inflated value and you might not see your money back. Is it because these cues don't hold their value or you paid a price that most were not willing to?
If we were to say buying a cue directly from the source, it would be fair to say that most of the seven cuemakers that most list would sell for more in the secondary marketplace. How much is what determines if any juice is left to give any potential upside.
I am only saying this because I can see people going out and spending 4-6K on a cue from one of the seven cuemakers and scratching their heads that the cue is not holding its value. Production, style, rarity of woods etc.. will all determine the value.
I am sure most can chime in with more specifics that they look towards when buying a collector cue, but I tend to buy cues I can use and if ever needed can sell at the same or a slight profit. If I get lucky I might end up with a few cue that increases enough in value to offset some of the losers (cost wise) I end up with.
While I wont change my list of seven I do have some additional comments about this thread. Holding value is very vague and requires clarity.
I don't care who the cue maker is past or present. You must know the market for the said cue you are looking to buy. A original Balabushka, Gus Szamboti etc can be sold at inflated value and you might not see your money back. Is it because these cues don't hold their value or you paid a price that most were not willing to?
If we were to say buying a cue directly from the source, it would be fair to say that most of the seven cuemakers that most list would sell for more in the secondary marketplace. How much is what determines if any juice is left to give any potential upside.
I am only saying this because I can see people going out and spending 4-6K on a cue from one of the seven cuemakers and scratching their heads that the cue is not holding its value. Production, style, rarity of woods etc.. will all determine the value.
I am sure most can chime in with more specifics that they look towards when buying a collector cue, but I tend to buy cues I can use and if ever needed can sell at the same or a slight profit. If I get lucky I might end up with a few cue that increases enough in value to offset some of the losers (cost wise) I end up with.
Sean.....that's a terrible tale to learn about Tibbits.
I've admired John Showman's work for awhile & had been thinking about getting one of his cues last year.
Then the crap comes out about what a dishonest cue-maker which I'd never heard before. And one upset
customer post on the Forum led to another and then another and pretty soon the real picture looked horrible.
Your post about Danny was a deja vu flashback moment for me but this time it was about Danny Tibbits...how sad.
About cues holding their value, except for the very rare ones, I have doubts that most cues would. However, the same could also be said about blue chip stocks
in a downtrodden, depressed stock market. The big plus to owning highly desired cues, even though their full value isn't there right now, is that these same cues
will lose value at a lower rate than lesser known cue-maker cues would in a poor resale market. However, these same cues are the first ones to recover value faster
when and if the secondary resale market ever bounces back. I believe this will happen and it's only a question of time, i.e., when. So I'm still interested in buying higher
end collectible cues and hanging onto them....besides, it's a real kick to own them.
I've admired John Showman's work for awhile & had been thinking about getting one of his cues last year.
Then the crap comes out about what a dishonest cue-maker which I'd never heard before. And one upset
customer post on the Forum led to another and then another and pretty soon the real picture looked horrible.
Your post about Danny was a deja vu flashback moment for me but this time it was about Danny Tibbits...how sad.
About cues holding their value, except for the very rare ones, I have doubts that most cues would. However, the same could also be said about blue chip stocks
in a downtrodden, depressed stock market. The big plus to owning highly desired cues, even though their full value isn't there right now, is that these same cues
will lose value at a lower rate than lesser known cue-maker cues would in a poor resale market. However, these same cues are the first ones to recover value faster
when and if the secondary resale market ever bounces back. I believe this will happen and it's only a question of time, i.e., when. So I'm still interested in buying higher
end collectible cues and hanging onto them....besides, it's a real kick to own them.
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