Do we have a Sufi or two in our midst?

BillPorter

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As I read through some of the more argumentative and even bitter threads that seem to come up more and more often here on AZ, I think about the three "gates" through which our words must pass before we may say that we have spoken well according to the Sufi tradition. The first of these three gates or tests is , "Are these words true?" Are all of us careful to speak the truth in our posts? If our words pass the first test, the second gate is, "Are these words necessary?" And then the thrid gate through which our words must pass, "Are these words kind?" How many of our posts pass through all three of these gates?

I was first told of the three gates of Sufism by a native of India who had been raised as a Hindu. I was a bit surprised that he was familiar with Sufism and to tell the truth, I thought he had gotten the second and third gates out of their correct order. After all, if our words pass the second gate and are therefore neccesary, must we not go ahead and say (write) them? We must be sensitive to the promptings of our heart to see that my little Hindo friend had it right all along in saying that the final test is kindness.
 
BillPorter said:
As I read through some of the more argumentative and even bitter threads that seem to come up more and more often here on AZ, I think about the three "gates" through which our words must pass before we may say that we have spoken well according to the Sufi tradition. The first of these three gates or tests is , "Are these words true?" Are all of us careful to speak the truth in our posts? If our words pass the first test, the second gate is, "Are these words necessary?" And then the thrid gate through which our words must pass, "Are these words kind?" How many of our posts pass through all three of these gates?

I was first told of the three gates of Sufism by a native of India who had been raised as a Hindu. I was a bit surprised that he was familiar with Sufism and to tell the truth, I thought he had gotten the second and third gates out of their correct order. After all, if our words pass the second gate and are therefore neccesary, must we not go ahead and say (write) them? We must be sensitive to the promptings of our heart to see that my little Hindo friend had it right all along in saying that the final test is kindness.
I suggest that Jesus passed the first two every time and within this also always acheived the third - of course, He was a big believer in absolute truth.....

Very positive stuff.
 
inthezone said:
I suggest that Jesus passed the first two every time and within this also always acheived the third - of course, He was a big believer in absolute truth.....

Very positive stuff.
But I believe the answer to my original question must be, "No."
 
I think that SJM probably qualifies as a Sufi practitioner by nature. I have never read an intentionally untrue, unnecessary, or unkind word from him.

Also, thank you Bill. The introduction to the Three Gates are definitely words to live by.

John
 
John Barton said:
I think that SJM probably qualifies as a Sufi practitioner by nature. I have never read an intentionally untrue, unnecessary, or unkind word from him.

Also, thank you Bill. The introduction to the Three Gates are definitely words to live by.

John
You know, I thought of sjm when I wrote the original post. I can't say I have read all of his 5000+ posts, but I honestly cannot recall ever reading one of his that was mean spirited or even impolite. Could "sjm" stand for "Sufi, just maybe?":D
 
BillPorter said:
You know, I thought of sjm when I wrote the original post. I can't say I have read all of his 5000+ posts, but I honestly cannot recall ever reading one of his that was mean spirited or even impolite. Could "sjm" stand for "Sufi, just maybe?":D
I have to agree. SJM fits your description of "Sufi" very well.

There are always votes of the top ten posters; however, I would go out on a limb and say if there was ever a vote for the number one poster/contributor to this forum, SJM would be number one.

Even when he disagrees with someone, he does it very eloquently.
 
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