Does Charlie have "IT"

Re: Does Charlie Have It

cardiac kid said:
Yes, I am a UPA member. Although I strongly disagree with lots they do, I found NO ONE else even attempting to help the "pro" player...You have never attended a tournament at Classic Billiards here in Rochester. The room we have for tournament finals at most, holds 75 people....

Cardiac Kid, since the only folks the UPA affects are pool players and promoters of independent events, you are in the minority here, and you obviously have a handle on what's taking place right before our eyes.

I was at Classic Billiards in Rochester when Earl played Keith in the finals. I could hardly see over the crowd in the back room as well as the bar windows that peer into the back room. It was an exciting match, wasn't it? Earl was spanking Keith in this final match, and then Keith gained some momentum and the score was hill-hill with Keith breaking for the last game. Keith broke the balls, made a ball on the break, and then watched in horror as the cue-ball scratched, giving Earl ball in hand. This is one of the few times I have seen Earl play that he was actually relaxed. He was cutting up with Keith, chuckling and smirking, and he had some good come-back lines. Somebody videotaped this match and is selling it on eBay.

Charlie Williams is the self-appointed president of the UPA and is part of the UPA administration. The UPA administration selects the seeds for the UPA-sanctioned tournaments. I still cannot understand how someone with an unsigned contract was afforded a seed and a bye. I also do not think it is fair that the seeded players can arrive at an event 2 days late, with no requirement for them to attend the players meeting, when all of the rest of the players have to be there on time or get forfeited.

The UPA says their ranking system was used to select players to go to the World Pool Championship. I know personally three UPA member players who were ranked higher than the ones who actually went, and they are still miffed as to why they were not chosen or selected by the UPA. I attempted to get an explanation to this by some UPA representatives, and I was given three different stories. Again, too many Chiefs and not enough Indians. The UPA machine could use some strong leadership, but at this point, it seems like the Wizard of Oz. And I am uncertain as to who the wizard is.

Some UPA members were wondering if the UPA corporate credit card was used to pay for hotel, travel, and per diem expenses for its administrative staff. There has been no financial accountability statement forthcoming.

To ask a pool player to sign a legal document, a contract, right on the spot at one of these tournaments, without the benefit of counsel, seems wrong to me. If the UPA needs lawyers to write these legally binding contracts, then the pool player should have a lawyer review this legally binding contract to protect the pool player's interests.

Hope to see you in Rochester this year. It is one cool pool room. The owner and staff went out of their way to make sure every single pool player was comfortable. Hopefully, the UPA will take a turn for the better with a new and improved leadership and address some of the above-referenced concerns.

ManlyShot
 
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Do you mean they are easy?

Gabber [/B][/QUOTE]

Easy? The pockets are bushel baskets. Combine that with new cloth, new balls and the Sardo Rack, you have the recipe for a rule revision. The nine ball is placed on the spot instead of the one ball! Too many sets were won when game after game, Karen or Allison would break in multiple balls and run out. In reality, no other woman had (has) a chance! Once the BCA accepted the Sardo, the men began to use the same "nine on the spot" format. We still used it at the Allen Hopkins in August.

Remember Gabber, there are still only two dominent women. Once you get past the top four or six, the opportunity to win tournaments on a regular basis slips very quickly. If the tournaments were held on more difficult equipment, the gulf between players would be more evident.
 
Does Charlie Have It

Manlyshot,

This is the second time I know of you and I have been at the same tournament without meeting. Thanks for your attendence at the Joss! Did you play? Jackie Vacarro has done a good job at Classic since the passing of her husband.

Regarding the viewing conditions at our Joss finals. I was speaking directly to "Gremlin" in my post. I'm sure he has never been to our room. It must be nice to live in a major metropolitan area and see hundreds of pool fans watch a match. Room Manager Rich Warren did a good job moving the crowd so more people could see Earl and Keith play. We used to have portable seating for another thirty five people. You had to move too many tables to allow them to fit in.

Have you seen a financial statement from either BCA or APA? Has one been released to the general public? More importantly, what has either of them done for the top level of the game. Other than recognize the best of the older players each year, nothing. BCA seeded the UPA the right to choose our player representatives for international tournaments! Why isn't the BCA doing it? The BCA recognizes the UPA as the governing body of mens professional pool! What?

You and I must have spoken with the same people last week. I came away with the same uneasyness as to how things are done. Again, who else is there to work with? Should we just give up and play in regional tournaments? Every time I ask about a tour, I get the same answer that the promoter is the only one making money. Help!!!!!
 
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cardiac kid said:
Easy? The pockets are bushel baskets. Combine that with new cloth, new balls and the Sardo Rack, you have the recipe for a rule revision. The nine ball is placed on the spot instead of the one ball! Too many sets were won when game after game, Karen or Allison would break in multiple balls and run out.

A couple of years ago, Monica Webb and Helena Thornfeldt came to Hot Shots, a pool room located in Baltimore, Maryland. It was right after the first Capital City Classic event that was held in New Carrollton, Maryland.

They both had very strong feelings about the use of the Sardo rack in women's pool for exactly the reasons you stated in your post.

There is also a problem with some pool players racking their own for the break without the Sardo rack. Joe Tucker, the Joss guy, has written a book all about racking and breaks.

Maybe somebody should invent a light over the pool table with mechanical arms that drop down to the table and rack the pool balls, like those used in bowling alleys.

At Capital City Classic, Table Nos. 6 and 7, the front tables as you walked into the ballroom, were hard to rack. Apparently, according to some players, folks who tapped the balls into the rack inadvertantly damaged the tables. Shawn Putnam told me that he felt horrible when he racked the balls for his opponent during a match. When his opponent broke the balls, there was a thud sound, and it appeared to be a "bad rack," but Shawn did not intentionally bad-rack the balls.

The match between Ron Wiseman and Fabio Petroni was lengthened by the verbal disagreements on the rack.

I have noticed that the Sardo rack seems to be used more in women's pool than men's these days. If somebody could come up with a cure to the racking problem, they will make many a pool player very happy.

ManlyShot
 
Re: Does Charlie Have It

cardiac kid said:
Manlyshot, this is the second time I know of you and I have been at the same tournament without meeting...You and I must have spoken with the same people last week. I came away with the same uneasiness as to how things are done...I get the same answer that the promoter is the only one making money.

The Joss Tour is one of the best-run tours in the country (IMO). The payouts are the highest, Mike and Joe shoot from the hip, and there is no UPA involvement. I have a feeling we are going to be seeing a lot more pro players participating in the Joss Tour.

Classic Billiards in Rochester, New York, is a long drive for me, but it is one of my favorite pool rooms. I just can't say enough good things about the staff there. When I arrived at the last Joss Tour, Rich came over to me and asked me if I would like something to drink. I told him some water would be great. He walked over to the vending machine and bought me a cold bottle of water and brought it over to my table. He went out of his way to make sure every single pool player was comfortable and content. The owner brought in some tasty Greek pastries for all to enjoy. This pool room is clean, colorful, and has plenty of tables. I have a panoramic photo that was taken there last Joss event of the finalists, and it is something I will always treasure. The regulars there are great pool enthusiasts, and I REALLY enjoyed talking to Bosco. These Rochester folks are the best.

Unfortunately, pool promoters aren't making any money. They invest all of their time and resources into these tournaments, working many, many months in advance, only to have the UPA at the last minute inform them if they don't let the UPA sanction them, then the UPA members, the union, will not be allowed to attend. The promoter gives in to this stranglehold, signs one of those dreaded contracts the UPA lawyers create, allows the UPA to sanction the tournament, and lo and behold, this independent event is all of a sudden part of a "UPA Tour."

If this is a sign of the times, there will be less independent events. Promoters are supposed to make a profit, and at this juncture, I don't see it happening with the lack of attendance of spectators. What sponsor would want to pour money into no-money-making tournaments? This is where the UPA should concentrate their efforts, not the cash-poor pool player who pays $1,000-plus just to attend a tournament only to see UPA members and non-UPA members get seeds and byes at the direction of the UPA staff. At Capital City Classic, if you got a seed and a bye, you only had to win one match to place in the money bracket.

ManlyShot
 
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manlyshot said:


At Capital City Classic, Table Nos. 6 and 7, the front tables as you walked into the ballroom, were hard to rack. Apparently, according to some players, folks who tapped the balls into the rack inadvertantly damaged the tables. Shawn Putnam told me that he felt horrible when he racked the balls for his opponent during a match. When his opponent broke the balls, there was a thud sound, and it appeared to be a "bad rack," but Shawn did not intentionally bad-rack the balls.

The match between Ron Wiseman and Fabio Petroni was lengthened by the verbal disagreements on the rack.

ManlyShot

Manlyshot,

Sometime, if you get the chance, come on out to the Reno Open. One of the match shortening rules in force is RACK YOUR OWN! It was my understanding that the Capitol City Classic was supposed to do that. Scott Smith and the UPA got crossed up. During the players meeting, the rules were read (and then corrected and reread and reread) and that was not among them. You still have the right to challenge the rack. Now, if the breaker solidly strikes the rack and nothing moves, it is their fault, not an opponents gaff rack. I have been to four. It is the best promoted and run tounament I attend. My hat is off to Gene Story, Tony Annigoni, Scott Smith and the rest of the staff for running great events. The people at the Sands Regency actually appreciate the players being there. The prize money is good and paid on time, every time.

I believe you have taken one of my comments out of context. I specifically mentioned regional tours. It is my understanding, and someone please correct me if I am wrong, the promoters of some of the tours in the southeast, central and midwest appear to be making as much money per stop as the tour stop winner. Mike Zuglan is not doing the Joss for free. I believe that the funds he collects up front, the free goods delivered to the billiard room proprietor to offset the up fronts and the strength of the field the Joss provides, gives a room promoter an opportunity to not loose money during their event. Some charge the spectators a fee to watch both days. Incidently, it appears that Joe Tucker will not be the tour director this year. Too bad. Joe and Pat Murray did a great job and have some responsibility for the success of the events.

The dark side is money alone is not enough. Classic added $5000 to our Joss stop. We had way too many byes the first round. AccuBilliards had $25000 added and got 59 entries! I'm watching this $10,000 entry tournament in Vegas. That one has NO added money. Lets see how many players show up.
 
Does Charlie have it? NO

I edited out some stuff concerning this as to not seem to anti CW.

I would like to see his talent be put to postive use to build the sport not seperate it further.
 
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