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I'm begining to wonder about this guy, can anyone confirm if:
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I just wanted to say that I am pretty pissed off at larry. My first post on draw shots was beginning to generate legitimate discussion until larry posted, then it turned into a namecalling post.
I re-posted the question hoping that it would generate conversation and the bickering would stay on the first post, then larry posts and it turns into crap.
I really don't mind what happens on the internet, but this forum is a useful tool, and it is fairly annoying to have one person ruin a way to share information.
I re-posted the question hoping that it would generate conversation and the bickering would stay on the first post, then larry posts and it turns into crap.
I really don't mind what happens on the internet, but this forum is a useful tool, and it is fairly annoying to have one person ruin a way to share information.
I do know Larry personally because he has been in my house. My husband is an sl7 in APA, that equates to a good B level player. My husband and Larry talked for hours about stuff that was over my head. He did let us tape a few of his techniques though, which included the specialty draw (chop down draw) and masse draw.
Is it Larry's credentials you are wondering about or his personality? If it is credentials you are wondering about, I would think that other professionals could verify them. I mean that someone would listen to another professional more than I, since I am just a mediocre league player. Anything I would say would be personal opinion based on my limited knowlege of all of the billiard industry.
OTOH I have seen the trick shots Larry did on Ripleys Believe or Not on VHS Tape.
Laura
Is it Larry's credentials you are wondering about or his personality? If it is credentials you are wondering about, I would think that other professionals could verify them. I mean that someone would listen to another professional more than I, since I am just a mediocre league player. Anything I would say would be personal opinion based on my limited knowlege of all of the billiard industry.
OTOH I have seen the trick shots Larry did on Ripleys Believe or Not on VHS Tape.
Laura
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Laura,
I believe Larry has a gift. So far, I haven't heard anyone dispute any of his claims of what he can do. Evidently, there is even some video evidence out there. What bothers some, I believe, is how he responds to some of the posters. He seems to personally attack people if they say something he doesn't agree with. I for one wish that he would stop doing that. I think he has a lot to offer and I would like to benefit from his knowledge instead of having to wade through long paragraphs of demeaning diatribe aimed at other posters.
I believe Larry has a gift. So far, I haven't heard anyone dispute any of his claims of what he can do. Evidently, there is even some video evidence out there. What bothers some, I believe, is how he responds to some of the posters. He seems to personally attack people if they say something he doesn't agree with. I for one wish that he would stop doing that. I think he has a lot to offer and I would like to benefit from his knowledge instead of having to wade through long paragraphs of demeaning diatribe aimed at other posters.
I have a lot of friends that play in A, B,C and APA leagues! The solid B players are rated 6SL in APA! One of my best friends DAN D is a C+/B- caliber which he playes as a 5SL in APA!! I guess your rating (A,B,C or 5,6,7) would depend on your location in the US! This shouldn't be though, there should be a pretty close rating no matter where you're at!
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APA Ratings...
I get a kick out of players who participate in the APA as their only competitive venue. Laura's thoughts that her husband would be considered a "B" level player simply because he is rated as an APA S/L-7 is presumptive at best.
I play against and on occasion, beat APA 7's (just smoked one last week, 5-1.) Does this make me a "B" level player? No way.
If Earl Strickland or say...Alex Pagulayan were allowed to play in the APA, would they be a "7"? Sure they would, but at the extreme top end of the scale as a "7" is as high as one can go in APA 8-ball. Laura...can your hubby hang with these guys?
As Zim said, geographically there will be differences too. Right here in the DFW area, it is obvious that Dallas "7's" are stronger than the Arlington "7's" I have played or watched play.
The APA is what it is: A recreational league aimed at the newer player. On any given league night at any given room that hosts the APA, one can find:
An APA skill rating, the greatest majority of the time, is absolutely the WRONG measure of a players talent.
Of course, this is just my opinion and afterall, who am I (besides a lowly APA "6"?!)
Regards,
Ken
I get a kick out of players who participate in the APA as their only competitive venue. Laura's thoughts that her husband would be considered a "B" level player simply because he is rated as an APA S/L-7 is presumptive at best.
I play against and on occasion, beat APA 7's (just smoked one last week, 5-1.) Does this make me a "B" level player? No way.
If Earl Strickland or say...Alex Pagulayan were allowed to play in the APA, would they be a "7"? Sure they would, but at the extreme top end of the scale as a "7" is as high as one can go in APA 8-ball. Laura...can your hubby hang with these guys?
As Zim said, geographically there will be differences too. Right here in the DFW area, it is obvious that Dallas "7's" are stronger than the Arlington "7's" I have played or watched play.
The APA is what it is: A recreational league aimed at the newer player. On any given league night at any given room that hosts the APA, one can find:
- Great players.
- Good players.
- Players that can barely make a ball.
- Players who in certain states, would be arrested for their level of play.
- Players who shouldn't be allowed to own sharp, pointed items.
- Players with barely a clue.
- Players with no clue.
- Players that think a clue is the thing they play pool with.
An APA skill rating, the greatest majority of the time, is absolutely the WRONG measure of a players talent.
Of course, this is just my opinion and afterall, who am I (besides a lowly APA "6"?!)
Regards,
Ken
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Mr. Guninger:
No one "degraded" Laura's husband. She is the one that said her husband was a "B" player. No one is "picking" on her spouse. Show me a negative quote about her husband.
I would suggest reading ALL of the post, the responses and then, stop to think about your reply before continuing on and possibly making a fool of yourself.
I understand your position of defending Laura and her husband though. They are, after all, one of your few paying students.
I am truly worried about your blood pressure levels when you are at your keyboard.
Regards,
Ken (imagines Mr. Guninger foams at the mouth more often than Max, The Wonder Dog.)
"Rapidly Diminishing Credibility Larry" Guninger www.talkalotaboutpoolbutknowlittleaboutpeople.com Shoot straight (duh?), imitate, no sense. Just run your mouth faster than the other guy, then there is no way to have friends. VENI, VIDI, VENDING MACHINES, VINNIE TESTAVERDE BLAH, BLAH...
No one "degraded" Laura's husband. She is the one that said her husband was a "B" player. No one is "picking" on her spouse. Show me a negative quote about her husband.
I would suggest reading ALL of the post, the responses and then, stop to think about your reply before continuing on and possibly making a fool of yourself.
I understand your position of defending Laura and her husband though. They are, after all, one of your few paying students.
I am truly worried about your blood pressure levels when you are at your keyboard.
Regards,
Ken (imagines Mr. Guninger foams at the mouth more often than Max, The Wonder Dog.)
"Rapidly Diminishing Credibility Larry" Guninger www.talkalotaboutpoolbutknowlittleaboutpeople.com Shoot straight (duh?), imitate, no sense. Just run your mouth faster than the other guy, then there is no way to have friends. VENI, VIDI, VENDING MACHINES, VINNIE TESTAVERDE BLAH, BLAH...
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APA skill levels are not very accurate, as are any pool handicap system, no way to accurately record defensive/ semi defensive or two for one shots. Try a shot but leave the cue ball where opponent is safe but you would have a nice shot if object ball falls. last time I was in apa, I was a 5 or 6 but any 7's around here would have a hard time beating me, especially spotting me a game. Wouldn't want to play efren as a 7 though.........
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Re: Larry's dog.
Okay. Who attacked the innocent dog. I agree, it's disgraceful. Was it one of them fighting Pit Bulls? Maybe a cross-bred Dobie/Rottie mix?
This is a pool forum and no place to promote the cruelty that is dog-fighting.
Regards,
Ken (The Wonder Dog is at a distinct height disadvantage against most other dogs.)
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Okay. Who attacked the innocent dog. I agree, it's disgraceful. Was it one of them fighting Pit Bulls? Maybe a cross-bred Dobie/Rottie mix?
This is a pool forum and no place to promote the cruelty that is dog-fighting.
Regards,
Ken (The Wonder Dog is at a distinct height disadvantage against most other dogs.)
Non handicapped tournies
tap tap. BTW, we do have two local non handicapped 9 ball tournies.These are weekly events. They are mostly A-B players, but a few C people come too.
Keith mc cready plays in one of these on ocasion. I really enjoy watching the guys compete in these tournies. It is a great opportunity for me to learn.
Laura
tap tap. BTW, we do have two local non handicapped 9 ball tournies.These are weekly events. They are mostly A-B players, but a few C people come too.
Keith mc cready plays in one of these on ocasion. I really enjoy watching the guys compete in these tournies. It is a great opportunity for me to learn.
Laura
since we are on the subject...
i think this thread got a little off the subject it was meant to but since everyone was talking about the "skill level" thing... i dont agree with some of the comments on 7's being B level players... some of them are... of course... but some of them arent... for example... i dont play in the league anymore... but there are a few "7's" around the area where im from that i would love to give the 8 ball too... but there are also a couple that i WOULD NOT take the 5 ball from... to me that really doesnt mean that much... and i forget who was saying that there husband was a seven... dont get me wrong... i am in no way bashing him or trying to say anything bad about him... im just saying that being a "7" really doesnt tell all that much...
i think this thread got a little off the subject it was meant to but since everyone was talking about the "skill level" thing... i dont agree with some of the comments on 7's being B level players... some of them are... of course... but some of them arent... for example... i dont play in the league anymore... but there are a few "7's" around the area where im from that i would love to give the 8 ball too... but there are also a couple that i WOULD NOT take the 5 ball from... to me that really doesnt mean that much... and i forget who was saying that there husband was a seven... dont get me wrong... i am in no way bashing him or trying to say anything bad about him... im just saying that being a "7" really doesnt tell all that much...
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My husband will not let me say what level of a seven he is. He said that is bragging and that lots of pool players brag and he would rather not be that way and also he knows more about 7s here than in other geographical locations. Ray says it is not smart to brag because if someone catches you on a bad day, you might have to eat your words.In our league, we have weak ones and strong ones. The weak ones may well be c+, the strong ones here seem to be B+. I am sure there are A sevens too, since that is as high as it goes for 8 ball. Nine ball in apa, seems to rank people better.
Laura
My husband will not let me say what level of a seven he is. He said that is bragging and that lots of pool players brag and he would rather not be that way and also he knows more about 7s here than in other geographical locations. Ray says it is not smart to brag because if someone catches you on a bad day, you might have to eat your words.In our league, we have weak ones and strong ones. The weak ones may well be c+, the strong ones here seem to be B+. I am sure there are A sevens too, since that is as high as it goes for 8 ball. Nine ball in apa, seems to rank people better.
Laura
Pool is an easy game to stall, i.e., pretend you're not as good as you really are. Therefore, any handicap system has problems with reflecting a particular player's true ability. I do think that as a whole, most players that play for any length of time in a system will generally play close to their handicap. So, it depends on the individual player. If a player is sandbagging his average probably doesn't mean much but for players that play in the tournaments and give it their all, the handicap probably accurately depicts their true ability.
Another factor is how you play against a particular person. Have you ever heard someone say, "I don't know why but I just can't beat so and so."? Like they say in boxing, styles make fights. I know there are people that I play better than but I have a hard time beating because I let them get to me. I just play worse than I usually do when I play them.
Another factor is how you play against a particular person. Have you ever heard someone say, "I don't know why but I just can't beat so and so."? Like they say in boxing, styles make fights. I know there are people that I play better than but I have a hard time beating because I let them get to me. I just play worse than I usually do when I play them.