Fixed CCB Question

BeiberLvr

BeiberLvr

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Say you are using Pro One, and you have a slight cut to the left where the visuals are CTEL/ETA.

After you get your visuals, you then look at the CB and find the fixed CCB.

If you were to imagine a line going from CCB back towards you, would that be considered the shot line? If so, is there any reason why you couldn't put your back foot on that line and then just bend down into the shot and make it?

It's a little theory I've been thinking of lately, and I figured I'd ask here since I won't have time to practice for another week.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Say you are using Pro One, and you have a slight cut to the left where the visuals are CTEL/ETA.

After you get your visuals, you then look at the CB and find the fixed CCB.

If you were to imagine a line going from CCB back towards you, would that be considered the shot line? If so, is there any reason why you couldn't put your back foot on that line and then just bend down into the shot and make it?

It's a little theory I've been thinking of lately, and I figured I'd ask here since I won't have time to practice for another week.
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My back foot is already on that line. My toes stay in the same place, but my foot pivots as I get down on that line. Tomorrow I will have a new video up in the Billiard University section, you can see it there. I used Pro One on 98% or so of the shots.
 
Neil said:
My back foot is already on that line. My toes stay in the same place, but my foot pivots as I get down on that line. Tomorrow I will have a new video up in the Billiard University section, you can see it there. I used Pro One on 98% or so of the shots.
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Thanks Neil. Can you PM me when it's up tomorrow so I don't forget to watch?
 
BeiberLvr said:
Say you are using Pro One, and you have a slight cut to the left where the visuals are CTEL/ETA.

After you get your visuals, you then look at the CB and find the fixed CCB.

If you were to imagine a line going from CCB back towards you, would that be considered the shot line? If so, is there any reason why you couldn't put your back foot on that line and then just bend down into the shot and make it?

It's a little theory I've been thinking of lately, and I figured I'd ask here since I won't have time to practice for another week.
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That wouldn't work the way I do it. I sweep/pivot (or whatever you want to call it) into CCB. If I understand what you're describing, the line from the visual CCB back to you would be a thinner cut aim line than what would make the shot. It may also be that I'm not perfectly understanding what you're attempting to describe.

I also think Stan will tell you, the eyes lead, the body follows. Putting the back foot down and then bending over is really just the opposite of that. For me at least, once I got the left offset, picking the visuals and sweeping in with my eyes leading going right, the feet just kind of took care of themselves.
 
nobcitypool said:
That wouldn't work the way I do it. I sweep/pivot (or whatever you want to call it) into CCB. If I understand what you're describing, the line from the visual CCB back to you would be a thinner cut aim line than what would make the shot. It may also be that I'm not perfectly understanding what you're attempting to describe.

I also think Stan will tell you, the eyes lead, the body follows. Putting the back foot down and then bending over is really just the opposite of that. For me at least, once I got the left offset, picking the visuals and sweeping in with my eyes leading going right, the feet just kind of took care of themselves.
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Definitely, and that's what I was doing and having great results. The problem that I was having is that despite pocketing balls very well, I didn't like the way my stance or stroke felt. There was a discussion in another thread awhile back on how some people think the feet are the foundation of the stance and ultimately the stroke. While there will certainly be some differing opinions, I sort of agree with it.

I learned this a little while ago when shooting some shots without Pro One. I was just using the shot line method (if that's what it's called, I'm not sure), and putting my back foot on that line and then bending down into the shot. I noticed my stance and stroke were a lot better. The downfall is that on tougher shots I wasn't making them as consistently as I was with Pro One.

I guess I was hoping there might be a way to combine the two, and in my head, what I described in my OP would work.
 
I m for sure no *Pro 1* expert- but *testing* around with it.
From what you described in my opinion that can cause problems.

Always have this sentence in mind:

LEAD THE EYES LEAD-AND YOUR BODY WILL FOLLOW!

To me this sentence is so important- it s about trusting, believing. Seeing is Believing!
You also can use this sentence in any other *aiming system*.

And don t spend too much thoughts about your *stance* by getting your visuals my friend. Once you have your visuals, then just watch the center-cueball you re pivoting to. It s kind of hypnotising the center-cueball :p
At the beginning it is (from my expirience) totally normal, that it will feel a bit weird to *let your body* settle in like it s been done in Pro1. It s different than using just the shotline/striking line.

Not wrong or right- it s a different approach!
you will reach the shot/striking line by pivoting "into" center-cueball.


@Stan Shuffet: Ok- i m ready to get slaughtered by you- i hope that make sense and was also right what i wrote - it s my opinion from my expirience and from what you taught on dvd and smaller videos :-)
Don t hesitate to judge me ^^

lg from overseas,

ingo
 
BeiberLvr said:
Thanks Neil. Can you PM me when it's up tomorrow so I don't forget to watch?
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It's downloading now. Will be ready early morning before I get up, so will post it when I get up. Whenever that is.:D (retired has certain advantages.:D)
 
nobcitypool said:
That wouldn't work the way I do it. I sweep/pivot (or whatever you want to call it) into CCB. If I understand what you're describing, the line from the visual CCB back to you would be a thinner cut aim line than what would make the shot. It may also be that I'm not perfectly understanding what you're attempting to describe.

I also think Stan will tell you, the eyes lead, the body follows. Putting the back foot down and then bending over is really just the opposite of that. For me at least, once I got the left offset, picking the visuals and sweeping in with my eyes leading going right, the feet just kind of took care of themselves.
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For me, and you will see Gerry do it also in his videos, we align our feet with where we can see the visuals correctly. Then, it's just a matter of seeing ccb, and bending over on that ccb line.
 
Ratta said:
I m for sure no *Pro 1* expert- but *testing* around with it.
From what you described in my opinion that can cause problems.

Always have this sentence in mind:

LEAD THE EYES LEAD-AND YOUR BODY WILL FOLLOW!

To me this sentence is so important- it s about trusting, believing. Seeing is Believing!
You also can use this sentence in any other *aiming system*.

And don t spend too much thoughts about your *stance* by getting your visuals my friend. Once you have your visuals, then just watch the center-cueball you re pivoting to. It s kind of hypnotising the center-cueball :p
At the beginning it is (from my expirience) totally normal, that it will feel a bit weird to *let your body* settle in like it s been done in Pro1. It s different than using just the shotline/striking line.

Not wrong or right- it s a different approach!
you will reach the shot/striking line by pivoting "into" center-cueball.


@Stan Shuffet: Ok- i m ready to get slaughtered by you- i hope that make sense and was also right what i wrote - it s my opinion from my expirience and from what you taught on dvd and smaller videos :-)
Don t hesitate to judge me ^^

lg from overseas,

ingo
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Yes, the eyes lead and the body follows. Totally agree with that. That is why you won't be able to see me pivoting either right or left. My eyes do, not my cue. My body follows the line to ccb.

There are several ways to work your feet. Some, just let them go where they are comfortable in relation to where the line is. Others of us like to set our feet according to our visuals. I believe doing the latter gives one a little more repeatability and reliability to using the system. That way, our feet are in exactly the same place every time, and we don't have any tendency to shift our upper body away from the shot line because we didn't place our feet quite right. Once on the line, we stay on line.
 
Neil said:
Yes, the eyes lead and the body follows. Totally agree with that. That is why you won't be able to see me pivoting either right or left. My eyes do, not my cue. My body follows the line to ccb.

There are several ways to work your feet. Some, just let them go where they are comfortable in relation to where the line is. Others of us like to set our feet according to our visuals. I believe doing the latter gives one a little more repeatability and reliability to using the system. That way, our feet are in exactly the same place every time, and we don't have any tendency to shift our upper body away from the shot line because we didn't place our feet quite right. Once on the line, we stay on line.
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That's exactly what I'm hoping to achieve.
 
Neil said:
Yes, the eyes lead and the body follows. Totally agree with that. That is why you won't be able to see me pivoting either right or left. My eyes do, not my cue. My body follows the line to ccb.

There are several ways to work your feet. Some, just let them go where they are comfortable in relation to where the line is. Others of us like to set our feet according to our visuals. I believe doing the latter gives one a little more repeatability and reliability to using the system. That way, our feet are in exactly the same place every time, and we don't have any tendency to shift our upper body away from the shot line because we didn't place our feet quite right. Once on the line, we stay on line.
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To not be misunderstood-
i know the feeling what BeiberLvr described. It s a completly different style to step into the shot on the striking line the *old known way*.

BUT @ Neil :-)
if you pivot into *CCB* you re usually kind of *air pivoting* even if you re finally sliding into your final position with your hand-- there is still an important point to not *when* to start to pivot into the shot (distance-wise). To early or too late can also bring wrong results which would also cause in inconsistancy. The pivot itself is the most cruicial thing on this topic in my opinion.

and now: Mr. Stan Shuffett, it s your turn. I really hope i shown up *correct* points but as usual: open to be enlighted if i m wrong :-)


lg from overseas,

Ingo
 
I align until the visuals are locked and then I focus on the sweep to CCB. Nowhere in that process am I thinking about my feet.

Cheers,
Gerry
 
DTL said:
No, that is not the shot line...........from there you're a 1/2 tip pivot or sweep from the shot line.

DTL
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I've heard that so many times now that I've never given it much thought.

Are you saying the center of the fixed CB is NOT where the tip of the cue is going to strike? But instead it's a 1/2 tip to the left or right of that spot?
 
BeiberLvr said:
I've heard that so many times now that I've never given it much thought.

Are you saying the center of the fixed CB is NOT where the tip of the cue is going to strike? But instead it's a 1/2 tip to the left or right of that spot?
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No, once you have your visuals, you then look at the cb and find center. From center, you go either left or right 1/2 tip with your eyes. That is the line your bridge hand will go down on. Now, while going down, without moving your bridge hand placement, you turn or pivot your body the little bit that brings you now looking at ccb. THAT is the shot line.
 
Gerry Williams said:
I align until the visuals are locked and then I focus on the sweep to CCB. Nowhere in that process am I thinking about my feet.

Cheers,
Gerry
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I stated what I did because in your videos it is very clear that you are shuffling your feet while getting your visuals. I don't really "think" about my feet either. But, I align them to see the shot correctly. Then, when I bend down, my back foot toes stay put where they are.
 
Neil said:
For me, and you will see Gerry do it also in his videos, we align our feet with where we can see the visuals correctly. Then, it's just a matter of seeing ccb, and bending over on that ccb line.
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Neil, i align to pick up my visuals with my feet very close to where they should be for just dropping down and shooting the shot. For the majority of shots, this results in very little shuffling of the feet. However, depending on where the balls are on the table and some shots where the visual sweep is right to left, it is nedessary to readjust. I just let this happen subconciously. Leading with your eyes and trusting to the point where you just let everything else follow may be the most important aspect of getting Pro One to work. IMHO, to consistantly be aligned to properly pick up the visuals more or less requires that your feet be close to the right position anyway.
 
I had a HUGE problem with my stance and CTE, and I realised that I have a snooker stance not a pool stance where you bend over. I was not prepared to change as my stance has always been rock solid which is good for my foundation. So I persisted and eventually shuffled my way to keep my stance and maintain visuals. Stan's you tube help me out a lot in this department.
Cheers
 
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