FS: Schon R12 - Spliced Points - Stitched Rings!

Hersheybarbilli

Hersheybarbilli

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This is a very nice all original R12. Spliced points with blue veneers, very nicely done. Black textured leather wrap. I've owned it for a few years and have even traded it to a friend and bought it back again but I need to make some room so here it is. $1000.00 shipped, Pay Pal ad $30 or postal money order.

Butt: 16.5 ounces, straight, in good original condition. The name "Rick" is engraved on the opposite of the buttcap from the Schon logo.

Original shaft: 3.8 ounces and 12.2 mm where the ferrule meets the shaft wood. 1/2 over in length. Rolls straight, (you can see a little light under it but that space does not change as the shaft rolls).

Additional shaft: A newer Schon shaft with matching stitched rings. 4.1 ounces and 13.1mm. Straight, a real nice shaft.


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wildwilly said:
that's against paypal policy :confused:
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If that's against PayPal policy, then PayPal shouldn't charge any fees. Not really fair to charge the seller a fee and then not expect the seller to recoup that somehow.

P.S. I think it is only against eBay policy to charge an additional fee for using PayPal, I think for non-auction goods, they don't care.

P.P.S. Gorgeous cue at a more than reasonable price. I would hate to see that end up on eBay but you got to do what you got to do I guess.
 
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roddyc said:
If that's against PayPal policy, then PayPal shouldn't charge any fees. Not really fair to charge the seller a fee and then not expect the seller to recoup that somehow.

P.S. I think it is only against eBay policy to charge an additional fee for using PayPal, I think for non-auction goods, they don't care.

P.P.S. Gorgeous cue at a more than reasonable price. I would hate to see that end up on eBay but you got to do what you got to do I guess.
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Yea it's a nice cue
 
I'm really not concerned with PayPal policy. Many, many people have a cash price that is 3% less then the price they would take through Pay Pal. Standard business procedure; CASH is always king.

It is a nice cue, very nice. Thanks.
 
roddyc said:
If that's against PayPal policy, then PayPal shouldn't charge any fees. Not really fair to charge the seller a fee and then not expect the seller to recoup that somehow.

P.S. I think it is only against eBay policy to charge an additional fee for using PayPal, I think for non-auction goods, they don't care.

P.P.S. Gorgeous cue at a more than reasonable price. I would hate to see that end up on eBay but you got to do what you got to do I guess.
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Why should'nt Pay-pal charge people a fee? Thats how they make there money. If you owned a credit card machine that merchant or seller get charged a fee for using there services. Its normaly like $.25 transaction fee + 1.7% of the total ticket or some are around a 3% flat fee. But Its kind of unethical for the user to charge a fee for them using that service.
The seller normaly absorbes the cost of this because it boosts their sales and or makes the item easier to sell. And as for recouping the fee you dont. Its just part of doing buisness.

P.S
thats a great looking Schon and good lock with your sale.
 
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JBCustomCues said:
Why should'nt Pay-pal charge people a fee? Thats how they make there money. If you owned a credit card machine that merchant or seller get charged a fee for using there services. Its normaly like $.25 transaction fee + 1.7% of the total ticket or some are around a 3% flat fee. But Its kind of unethical for the user to charge a fee for them using that service.
The seller normaly absorbes the cost of this because it boosts their sales and or makes the item easier to sell. And as for recouping the fee you dont. Its just part of doing buisness.

P.S
thats a great looking Schon and good lock with your sale.
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Thanks. I agree with you. Pay Pal has every right to charge a fee and make a profit, it is a great service they provide.

I should have listed the cue at $1030.00 with a $30 discount for a cash deal.
 
I agree, cost of doing business, but the seller should 100 percent absorb the cost. The buyer should not pay for the seller's cost of collecting the money.
 
JBCustomCues said:
Why should'nt Pay-pal charge people a fee? Thats how they make there money. If you owned a credit card machine that merchant or seller get charged a fee for using there services. Its normaly like $.25 transaction fee + 1.7% of the total ticket or some are around a 3% flat fee. But Its kind of unethical for the user to charge a fee for them using that service.
The seller normaly absorbes the cost of this because it boosts their sales and or makes the item easier to sell. And as for recouping the fee you dont. Its just part of doing buisness.

P.S
thats a great looking Schon and good lock with your sale.
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Long before Paypal was bought out by eBay, the company did not charge the ~3% fee on transactions. They made their money on the float....that is the customers' money sitting in their bank accounts collecting interest for them. When they got sold to eBay, there are obviously LOTS and LOTS of shareholders to answer to, so they now make money at every turn and corner they can, on every transaction.....plus a lot of the float, I'm sure. We shouldn't have a problem with that, though, because I'm sure a lot of our IRAs, 401-ks, and stock are tied up in it. I hope they continue to to do well. However, if a private party has $1000 in a cue and wants to break even, I don't think it's unethical at all to ask for the fees to be covered. It is a very safe way for a buyer to make the transaction with someone they don't know, and they should have no problem pumping in a bit extra for that security IMO....I would. This is all hypothetical of course and my opinion.

Great R12 there....one of the finest I have seen and certainly bargain basement price !! Good luck with it.
 
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Hersheybarbilli said:
No interest at all in an old R12?

New price $1000.00 add $30 if using Pay Pal.
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HEY IM LOOKING FOR OLD R9.IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT ILL PAY PAPAL FEES LOL.
 
cueaddicts said:
However, if a private party has $1000 in a cue and wants to break even, I don't think it's unethical at all to ask for the fees to be covered. It is a very safe way for a buyer to make the transaction with someone they don't know, and they should have no problem pumping in a bit extra for that security IMO....I would. This is all hypothetical of course and my opinion.

First of all what does knowing the person have anything to do with charging a fee for the transaction. Secondly if you read the credit card laws IT IS ILLEGAL to charge a fee to accept a credit card and that is why it is against pay-pal policy to charge a fee to use there services. Its like going to sears and you look at your receipt and you find a 3% credit card fee. If you realy must recoup this fee you raise your price of the merchandise to allow for this fee. Apon dealing with the person you are selling the product to if they decide to haggle you on price and you decide to give a percentage off for a cash deal that is between you and that individual. But anyways this cost is not suppost to passed on to the customer. You just absorb the fee and go on with life. That is just the way real buisness is done. Anyways great looking cue and good luck with your sale.
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cueaddicts said:
Long before Paypal was bought out by eBay, the company did not charge the ~3% fee on transactions. They made their money on the float....that is the customers' money sitting in their bank accounts collecting interest for them. When they got sold to eBay, there are obviously LOTS and LOTS of shareholders to answer to, so they now make money at every turn and corner they can, on every transaction.....plus a lot of the float, I'm sure. We shouldn't have a problem with that, though, because I'm sure a lot of our IRAs, 401-ks, and stock are tied up in it. I hope they continue to to do well. However, if a private party has $1000 in a cue and wants to break even, I don't think it's unethical at all to ask for the fees to be covered. It is a very safe way for a buyer to make the transaction with someone they don't know, and they should have no problem pumping in a bit extra for that security IMO....I would. This is all hypothetical of course and my opinion.

Great R12 there....one of the finest I have seen and certainly bargain basement price !! Good luck with it.
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let me respectfully disagree. The fee that paypal charges is not dissimillar to the charges retailers pay to accept credit cards. Imagine how different our daily lives would be if every reatailer, gas statation, and every business started to charge a sur charge if we chose to pay with a credit card.

The card holder pays a charge in interest and annual fees. If the tables were turned we can say, gee if you seller is only taking credit cards then I will charge the seller for a portion of my interest and annual fees.

It all comes down to cost of doing business.

As a seller we must price in our overhead, 401k and health plans, employee expenses and so on. We arrive at a final price-the sale price. The net difference is profit. If you list something on ebay as a "buy it now" the price should reflect the seller's cost in that the NET profit is sufficient.

I agree with paypal charging fees, although I think 3 percent is outrageous. If someone did a transaction a week, they are turning that 3% 52 times. Meaning 156% interest on money. very profitible since they have no inventory.

I digress.
 
prewarhero said:
let me respectfully disagree. The fee that paypal charges is not dissimillar to the charges retailers pay to accept credit cards. Imagine how different our daily lives would be if every reatailer, gas statation, and every business started to charge a sur charge if we chose to pay with a credit card.

The card holder pays a charge in interest and annual fees. If the tables were turned we can say, gee if you seller is only taking credit cards then I will charge the seller for a portion of my interest and annual fees.

It all comes down to cost of doing business.

As a seller we must price in our overhead, 401k and health plans, employee expenses and so on. We arrive at a final price-the sale price. The net difference is profit. If you list something on ebay as a "buy it now" the price should reflect the seller's cost in that the NET profit is sufficient.

I agree with paypal charging fees, although I think 3 percent is outrageous. If someone did a transaction a week, they are turning that 3% 52 times. Meaning 156% interest on money. very profitible since they have no inventory.

I digress.
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Exactly. Its just as I've been saying. Its the cost of doing buisness. If you dont want the fee dont offer the service.
 
howardthedick said:
HEY IM LOOKING FOR OLD R9.IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT ILL PAY PAPAL FEES LOL.
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Nice Greg!!! Looking for an R9... you probably have 20 of them in your closet. So what's the deal? A good old R12 can't fetch a grand?
Hope all is well.
 
bump for Bill

Wow, Bill you always have great cues on here and on the fly. I have never seen a blue R-12 before, only red, grean and gold. :cool:

Someone should jump on this fast, for Bill is a great guy to do business with and this cue is a steel at any price.
 
JBCustomCues said:
First of all what does knowing the person have anything to do with charging a fee for the transaction. Secondly if you read the credit card laws IT IS ILLEGAL to charge a fee to accept a credit card and that is why it is against pay-pal policy to charge a fee to use there services. Its like going to sears and you look at your receipt and you find a 3% credit card fee. If you realy must recoup this fee you raise your price of the merchandise to allow for this fee. Apon dealing with the person you are selling the product to if they decide to haggle you on price and you decide to give a percentage off for a cash deal that is between you and that individual. But anyways this cost is not suppost to passed on to the customer. You just absorb the fee and go on with life. That is just the way real buisness is done. Anyways great looking cue and good luck with your sale.
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credit card laws says it is illegal to charge a fee to accept a credit card but why does that make it against paypal policy to charge a fee to use the receive money service? looking on paypal, they dont say u cannot charge a fee. if it were against their policy it would be clearly stated like it is on ebay. also, i dont think that law is transferable or applicable to paypal. simply put, you are not charging people money for paying you with a credit card (they might also be paying with a bank account) so how does that law apply to this situation directly?

if u want to argue that it shouldnt be done then whatever, that your opinion and it cant really be argued against. but it is another thing to claim it cant be done because it is illegal.

your sears example is also fundamentally flawed. that situation is completely different than this one. in your scenario, sears simply charges u the fee without you being aware of it until after it is done. clearly that is the wrong thing to do, but in this scenario, it has been clearly stated that the cost of using that service is 30 dollars. as you are made aware of the situation, you can choose to use it or not use it in which case i see absolutely nothing wrong with it. you make it sound like it's a huge deal if people see the 3% on their receipt. i guarantee you that most people would only be mad because they were not made aware of it prior to the purchase. if people actually get that angry over being charged 3% extra (paypal fees for example) you would not see so many people buying cues and paying that extra 3% on this forum. not only do they willingly pay it, i have never heard of anyone complaining about having to pay a 3% paypal fee if it was clearly stated beforehand. i do not see what is so wrong with it, if it has been clearly stated, the customer doesnt mind paying it and it is not against paypal policy, what is the problem?
 
i think its just an ebay rule.. by not charging a fee to accept paypal, they say you are keeping the play field level for all people accepting paypal..

and that you should not offer a service and then charge people to use it..

i liked ebay and paypal so much better before ebay got control of it...

chris
 
JBCustomCues said:
cueaddicts said:
First of all what does knowing the person have anything to do with charging a fee for the transaction.
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It doesn't....please reread what I posted. I said that paypal is a safe way for people to do business with someone you don't know....vs. other forms of payment like cash, check, money order, etc.

JBCustomCues said:
Secondly if you read the credit card laws IT IS ILLEGAL to charge a fee to accept a credit card and that is why it is against pay-pal policy to charge a fee to use there services. Its like going to sears and you look at your receipt and you find a 3% credit card fee. If you realy must recoup this fee you raise your price of the merchandise to allow for this fee. Apon dealing with the person you are selling the product to if they decide to haggle you on price and you decide to give a percentage off for a cash deal that is between you and that individual. But anyways this cost is not suppost to passed on to the customer. You just absorb the fee and go on with life. That is just the way real buisness is done. Anyways great looking cue and good luck with your sale.
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Please show me where it is against paypal rules. I have looked and cannot locate that. Paypal is not a credit card....although you can fund a purchase using your CC through it. I'm not arguing, just stating my position for private parties using it, but I'm certainly open to being corrected on this.

$1000 plus 3% paypal fees.....$1030 or $1000 if cash.....it's just semantics to me, nothing to sweat over. :)
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