Fury Carolina Tour

[gin on you]

Let me quote B_White.(The Carolina tour is run by dishonest people who let certain players play and don't allow others to play even if their abilities are the same. The people who run it practice discrimination on a weekly basis. It's ran by cowards, not men.)
Now alot of people need facts to beleive this.I have them.They held a tournment in Wilmington NC and refused to let a local named Bruce Bullard play.They said he was on the BCA masters list.My friends this not true he is not on the list here is proof the bca masters list web site...http://www.bca-pool.com/play/ Also he is not on az players list either.They did let
Jeff Abernethy play and he is on az list he even finished tied with Archer 1 year in the US open.The people who run this tour are from Charlotte NC.Jeff plays around Charlotte alot this may be why the people who made the trip last from Charlotte decided not to come.check Jeff the winner of the tournment out at az players list,they even have a pic of him.http://azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showplayer2004.cfm?playernum=1967

 

[Mike Templeton]

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but I am starting to agree that the basis for playing these events is inconsistent at best.

I watched the tournament at Gametime, and was not impressed. The turnout was small and the directors didn't seem that informed.

I will say that it is a tough call to make when you have to exclude anyone from an event, so there needs to be a standard by which you can verify your decisions. Maybe the directors need a set criteria to go by, and stick with it without bias.

Just my opinion.

Mike T.

 

[piglit]

...he even finished tied with Archer 1 year in the US open...

Yeah- tied @ 33rd place! You make it sound like he doesn't need a spot from The Scorpion!!

They should make the tourneys open events where any & all are welcome. Then you could be happier and someone else can feel bad.

I would also say that I surely don't believe (that for most part!) the TDs are doing something they thought they would like, not something that would let them get rich/ work less.

But I have not attended the events you write of, nor do I know the cast involved...Must've felt like typing!

-pigi

 

[gin on you]

hey

Yeah- tied @ 33rd place! You make it sound like he doesn't need a spot from The Scorpion!!

They should make the tourneys open events where any & all are welcome. Then you could be happier and someone else can feel bad.

I would also say that I surely don't believe (that for most part!) the TDs are doing something they thought they would like, not something that would let them get rich/ work less.

But I have not attended the events you write of, nor do I know the cast involved...Must've felt like typing!

-pigi

Piglit you need to understand this is a tour that stress on no top players.BCA list enforced.I am saying the people who run this tour they are dishonest a let only there buddies play if they are good.No Jeff can not beat Jonny Archer on any day,but he finished 33 in the us open,so that makes him what kind of player in your opinion. you be the judge.Bruce has not finished in any tournment according to azbilliards record.

 

[DoomCue]

Piglit you need to understand this is a tour that stress on no top players.BCA list enforced.I am saying the people who run this tour they are dishonest a let only there buddies play if they are good.No Jeff can not beat Jonny Archer on any day,but he finished 33 in the us open,so that makes him what kind of player in your opinion. you be the judge.Bruce has not finished in any tournment according to azbilliards record.

IIRC, Bruce HAS cashed at the US Open. And he is one damned fine player. I've seen him give Tony Watson a good game many times, and I think he finished second to Ryan McCreesh at last year's Port City tournament.

-djb

 

[Buddha Jones]

Man, this is very discouraging. I was gonna play in some events this year cuz I live in Charlotte. I know Jeff, and I won't play him straight up. But then again, I would have absolutely no problem playing him in a tournament. Either you find a way to grade players to avoid discrimination or you let everyone play. As it stands now, if you suck, don't play, and if you play, don't expect to win.

 

[larrycue]

right

You are proving that it is run fishy to me.I know if you are buddies with the people who run it you can play.Imo Mike Staubes is not a pro level player,but he does not meet there Eligibility Criteria and they let him play in Greenville SC only because he is there friend.Now I know more about this thang than most.From what I was told not 100% sure about this Money wise they have sponsors,When my friend was called and ask to have an event at his place he was told to put up 500 dollars.He ask how was the pay out and it is $30 fee to join for players and $40 for entry fee at tournment.Out of the pot is %50 taken out.ex 40 players at $40 is $1600 so $800 is taken out.Ooch My friend decided not to have this event,He is jumping with joy now.

 

[KBP]

WE did not let Bullard play because he was on the masters list at that time.
We contacted the BCA and found that it had been updated just a day or so prior to the event. We were unaware of his removal. It was a common oversight and we have been trying to locate Bullard to inform him of this but we do not have his address.
Jeff Abernathy is not a favorite as you have suggested. I have viewed his states as I do with all the players that sign up on the tour and they do not show that he should not be allowed to play. He and Archer did not finish very well in the tournament you speak of.
I support any of my amateur players that want to try their luck at playing with the big boys. Sometimes its pure luck and how the balls roll that decides the faith of the game along with some skill. I am sorry that you feel the way you do but we continue on as we have which undoubtly has been pretty successful to this point. We are an amateur tour.
By the way before you start bashing people and what they are trying to accomplish, maybe you should speak with someone in charge and get an idea of how things really work. What we are trying to accomplish is to give people who are not of a pro or regional tour level a chance to play where they don't feel they will completely waste their money and time. It also gives them a chance to practice and play with other players with different styles and play. This gives the players a great outlet to practice and be a part of something they can feel they can do it and gain knowlege and experience.
Kay
Owner

Let me quote B_White.(The Carolina tour is run by dishonest people who let certain players play and don't allow others to play even if their abilities are the same. The people who run it practice discrimination on a weekly basis. It's ran by cowards, not men.)
Now alot of people need facts to beleive this.I have them.They held a tournment in Wilmington NC and refused to let a local named Bruce Bullard play.They said he was on the BCA masters list.My friends this not true he is not on the list here is proof the bca masters list web site...http://www.bca-pool.com/play/ Also he is not on az players list either.They did let
Jeff Abernethy play and he is on az list he even finished tied with Archer 1 year in the US open.The people who run this tour are from Charlotte NC.Jeff plays around Charlotte alot this may be why the people who made the trip last from Charlotte decided not to come.check Jeff the winner of the tournment out at az players list,they even have a pic of him.http://azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showplayer2004.cfm?playernum=1967

 

[KBP]

No one plays on the tour just because they are buddies. I live in Georgia and am the owner of the tour. I check all players names as they come across my desk from my tournament directors. I see no stats that tells me that Mike Staubes should not be allowed to play. As you have stated he is not pro level player. Your friend that decided not to book the tournament did not get the figures right. If he will contact me I will more than happily explain and send him some information that will clear this misunderstanding up. He can email me with his information at kbp_amateur9-ball@gate.net. YOUR figures are so far off that it is not even funny. I also would like to inform you that since your friend did not book for this season he missed out. All the rooms where we have the tournaments at keep telling me to keep booking them because they made money. I have rooms calling me begging me to put them on my list for next season. I am so sorry that you are misinformed.
Kay
tour owner

You are proving that it is run fishy to me.I know if you are buddies with the people who run it you can play.Imo Mike Staubes is not a pro level player,but he does not meet there Eligibility Criteria and they let him play in Greenville SC only because he is there friend.Now I know more about this thang than most.From what I was told not 100% sure about this Money wise they have sponsors,When my friend was called and ask to have an event at his place he was told to put up 500 dollars.He ask how was the pay out and it is $30 fee to join for players and $40 for entry fee at tournment.Out of the pot is %50 taken out.ex 40 players at $40 is $1600 so $800 is taken out.Ooch My friend decided not to have this event,He is jumping with joy now.

 

[KBP]

Hey Doom
This is Kay, I own the Amateur 9-Ball tour that you are hearing so much about
I will tell you what happen. Bruce was on the BCA list and that was the list we were going by. He was taken off of it during an update that we were unaware of. I have heard good things about Bruce and would like to discuss the situation with him. We can only go by what we have and are doing the very best that we can. We do have to turn people away sometimes but we are trying. The BCA list is all we basically have to go on at this time. I hope people will try to understand that we are trying to keep the level of play amateur for the players.
Thanks for the input about Bruce.
Kay Higgins
tour owner

IIRC, Bruce HAS cashed at the US Open. And he is one damned fine player. I've seen him give Tony Watson a good game many times, and I think he finished second to Ryan McCreesh at last year's Port City tournament.

-djb

 

[KBP]

WE are not dishonest. All players are checked out by me, the owner, as the names come across my desk from each event. Jeff is not playing because he knows someone on the tour. His stats are just not that good from every aspect I have researched. We do take people in question and keep our eye on them during the season and our board decides if they will continue to be allowed to play next season. Once there is a question about a player we do talk with them and let them know what's going on. As for Bruce, he was on the BCA list that we had. We spoke with the BCA, got the updates and his name has been removed. We did not know the updates were in place at the time of the tournament. From my understanding the updates were done just a few days either before the tournament or after. The last update we had did have his name.
Kay
Tour Owner

Piglit you need to understand this is a tour that stress on no top players.BCA list enforced.I am saying the people who run this tour they are dishonest a let only there buddies play if they are good.No Jeff can not beat Jonny Archer on any day,but he finished 33 in the us open,so that makes him what kind of player in your opinion. you be the judge.Bruce has not finished in any tournment according to azbilliards record.

 

[KBP]

Hey Buddha
Don't let this bad vibe discourage you. Check out the other posting I have done on here. Check out our tournaments yourself and make the decision based on your opinion. Maybe then you will be ok with everything. I will be in Wilmington this upcoming weekend at Rack 'M Pub at the event scheduled Feb 28-29. We hope you do decide to join us at some of the events. We do go by a players stats that we research. We use the BCA list to basically say who can play and who can't. There are some Top Regional Tour players that we have to watch out for but all in all I feel that we do a pretty good job of keeping it amateur. Just check us out for yourself.
Kay Higgins
Tour Owner

Man, this is very discouraging. I was gonna play in some events this year cuz I live in Charlotte. I know Jeff, and I won't play him straight up. But then again, I would have absolutely no problem playing him in a tournament. Either you find a way to grade players to avoid discrimination or you let everyone play. As it stands now, if you suck, don't play, and if you play, don't expect to win.

 

[KBP]

Hey Piglit.
We do the amateur events because some players don't want to play a pro or top regional tour player. They want something on their level. We are not getting rich and its a lot of work to run a tour and tournaments. I wish all the people that want to cut us down but haven't been to any of the events would stop and take a look. We are not saying that we are perfect but we are doing the best we can with the information we have. I could do open events but there would be less players and less competition. Face it there are more amateurs than they are pros and top regionals. We just want to give them a chance to play, learn, grow and experience 9-ball.
Kay
Tour Owner

Yeah- tied @ 33rd place! You make it sound like he doesn't need a spot from The Scorpion!!

They should make the tourneys open events where any & all are welcome. Then you could be happier and someone else can feel bad.

I would also say that I surely don't believe (that for most part!) the TDs are doing something they thought they would like, not something that would let them get rich/ work less.

But I have not attended the events you write of, nor do I know the cast involved...Must've felt like typing!

-pigi

 

[KBP]

Hey Mike,
I am sorry that you feel the event was inconsitent. I have not had anyone state that about the tournaments. I do travel and check out what is going on from time to time and if I see room for improvement then i let my directors know. It is a hard call on players since we have no real way to place people on a list. We use the BCA list now and we do have a slight problem with some Top regional tour players trying to sneak in. They are not on a list. We do the best we can. As for the numbers being low. I can't explain why. We never know how many or who is going to show up. All we can do is get the info out and see. Thanks for the input.
Kay
Tour director

PS
We are expanding and I am looking for tournament directors. Hear of any let me know.
Kay

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but I am starting to agree that the basis for playing these events is inconsistent at best.

I watched the tournament at Gametime, and was not impressed. The turnout was small and the directors didn't seem that informed.

I will say that it is a tough call to make when you have to exclude anyone from an event, so there needs to be a standard by which you can verify your decisions. Maybe the directors need a set criteria to go by, and stick with it without bias.

Just my opinion.

Mike T.

 

[larrycue]

ol kbp how fuuny i see your post

I want to know why bruce was taken off the BCA list ... or, when he was EVER put on there. He, himself, has said that he has never played in a BCA event. http://www.bca-pool.com/play/

Now, the FUNNY THANG is ... "everybody is begging". HA! I bet RACK_M Pub in Wilmington will never ask for your tournament to come back there. Why would they? You only had about 10 or 12 people there for the tournament. I'm sure that room owner will be "begging" to book another of your events. He refused to put up the 500 dollars to have it, and said he didn't care if the whopping 12 people left. Now, you can cover stuff up, and word things different, and make your tour sound wonderful ... but getting me to buy it will not happen! ... and apparently no one else around here either!

 

[deadstroke32]

I want to know why bruce was taken off the BCA list ... or, when he was EVER put on there. He, himself, has said that he has never played in a BCA event. http://www.bca-pool.com/play/

Now, the FUNNY THANG is ... "everybody is begging". HA! I bet RACK_M Pub in Wilmington will never ask for your tournament to come back there. Why would they? You only had about 10 or 12 people there for the tournament. I'm sure that room owner will be "begging" to book another of your events. He refused to put up the 500 dollars to have it, and said he didn't care if the whopping 12 people left. Now, you can cover stuff up, and word things different, and make your tour sound wonderful ... but getting me to buy it will not happen! ... and apparently no one else around here either!

Look" y dont ya just make 2 of your tour stops open event . ."Jeff A" sorry he plays jam up pool when he has to ..i know weve played more then once ..So why don't the you put on 2 open events a year and make it for only semi pro and ameatures .No touring pro at all .And on thoes events change the fee to play. It jus might make a lot of people happy.Or just do a handicap event..semi pro have to spot the Ameatures..We did it in New york and it was a big hit..The semi pro had to pay more but it made the pot bigger ..And more and more players came to beat the pro's and semi pros.Just something to look in to...

If u need more help just drop me a note ...
We all love the and we all should get to play
And someday i just might get my tour sheet from the "fury tour" ..I'm still looking in the mail box...

 

[gin on you]

hmmm

Some how when I started this thread I knew everybody would think I was blowing smoke.Seems it was on the money considering the turn out in Wilmington.Maybe and I hope it will make it in the other towns it stops in.But when you come to a town like Wilmington and make people upset don't make plans on coming back.And please do not go to other towns and pull the same stuff because I would like to see the tour last.Maybe you will use this as a good lesson learned.

 

[pooltchr]

Some how when I started this thread I knew everybody would think I was blowing smoke.Seems it was on the money considering the turn out in Wilmington.Maybe and I hope it will make it in the other towns it stops in.But when you come to a town like Wilmington and make people upset don't make plans on coming back.And please do not go to other towns and pull the same stuff because I would like to see the tour last.Maybe you will use this as a good lesson learned.

The event in Wilmington happened to come on the heels of the biggest snow storm the state has seen in many years. A lot of players didn't think it would be held. There were also a couple of other events that same day that pulled some of the players. Feedback from some of the players that were there gave some other reasons why some players chose not to attend that particular event. I will not repeat that here since it included some negative comments about others.

True, the room owner chose not to add the entire amount to the prize fund, but the tour owner went out to the ATM and made sure the guarantee was met for the players that were there. I know for a fact that the tour owners and directors lost money that weekend. The players did not! They got everything that was promised. Considering those facts, it would look like the tour really is looking out for the players' best interest. Nobody is twisting your arm to play in the tour, but there are an awful lot of players that look forward to the chance to play on a tour that pays fairly well, holds events that don't require a lot of travel, and gets some pretty good competition without anyone coming in and dominating the event. It may not be perfect, but I haven't seen anyone doing anything better.

 

[KBP]

Information

As for Bruce being on the BCA Master List. The list was updated on 2/4/2004 and he was on the list prior to that. I do not know why he was taken off, that is a BCA issue. But since he was taken off then he is eligible to play. As far as who plays and who doesn't. The tool we have adapted, which is the only tool that we have available, is the BCA List. That is our criteria.
As for Wilmington....I went to Break Time the night before and spoke with several local players. Several remarked that they would not play at Rack em, that it was a bad room. I had never been to RAck em so I was unaware of the situation. The tables were leveled by carpet and coasters. A sign in the bathroom informed us that the place was under surveillance by the narcotic division. And out of the 13 people that played only 2 were from that area, which leads me to believe what I had heard the night before.
As for the tournaments. We are an amateur tour, no handicaps, no open events. Plain and simple. We are new to the Carolina area but have had great success with how we do things in Floirda. Must be since we had 70 at the first event, 58 at the 2nd event, 69 at the 3rd event and etc. We have been in Florida for 5 years doing this. I just feel, as the tour owner, that some people have to have something to complain about without having all the facts.
Yes I did put up what the room owner refused to put up to make it right for the players. Shouldn't that say something.
Kay

 

[KBP]

larry

You my friend are a very unhappy person. If you read my other post and pool teachers post it will tell you why there were not many players. As for Rack M. it is a poor room. That room owner that refused to put up the money, by the way it was not $500 due to the green fees, you can't seem to do math, will not be booked on the tour again, by our choice, not his. Also the room owner is not a pool player folks. Refusing to put up the money hurts the players, not me. So I put up the difference to make up for what he refused to do. The man was rude to me in person and on the phone. You remind me of him. Have you ever been to one of our tournaments? Do you really know what goes on in running a tour? What do you know?
Kay
Tour Owner

I want to know why bruce was taken off the BCA list ... or, when he was EVER put on there. He, himself, has said that he has never played in a BCA event. http://www.bca-pool.com/play/

Now, the FUNNY THANG is ... "everybody is begging". HA! I bet RACK_M Pub in Wilmington will never ask for your tournament to come back there. Why would they? You only had about 10 or 12 people there for the tournament. I'm sure that room owner will be "begging" to book another of your events. He refused to put up the 500 dollars to have it, and said he didn't care if the whopping 12 people left. Now, you can cover stuff up, and word things different, and make your tour sound wonderful ... but getting me to buy it will not happen! ... and apparently no one else around here either!