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cutemonster

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Hi,
As far as I know, 2 common kicking system are corner5 and plus2 system.
Are they other systems out there that are essential to learn?

thanks!
 
victorl
the kicking academy pdf link you provided within your link above is a GREAT kicking system reference.....:thumbup:
 
A very credible 3-C player one told me that he knows 60 diamond systems.

And then there was a World Champion 3-C player, Sang Lee, who used zero diamond systems.

I regularly use about 4 or 5 plus a couple I created for myself.

It's definitely an individual thing.
 
FranCrimi said:
A very credible 3-C player one told me that he knows 60 diamond systems.

And then there was a World Champion 3-C player, Sang Lee, who used zero diamond systems.

I regularly use about 4 or 5 plus a couple I created for myself.

It's definitely an individual thing.
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This is what's important. ^^^

Nice to know systems but be careful . There's many adjustments for most if not all systems.

I've known top 3C players that calculate every shot. They've spent decades perfecting all of them.

Know them but know your instincts.
 
thanks all for the response. So that means in order to master kick shots, i should study 3C materials? (Plus individual adjustment of course)
For kicking system in the books, they only demonstrate corner 5 and plus 2 in a simple scenario. Is there a "kick system bible" in the market?
 
3C systems work for 3C tables. They don't adapt too well to pool tables from my experience. I've watched Tor Lowry's Zero X kicking about 10 times at least and he covers absolutely everything a person needs to know. Whilst the system itself is really easy to understand I tend not to use it. I purely play kicks how ever many rails by looking at the angle in, then angle out from rail to rail until I stumble across one that hits my target. Tables play different all the time so its easier for me to just judge it from experience.

However, if you haven't already check out Zero X Kicking. :-)
 
cutemonster said:
thanks all for the response. So that means in order to master kick shots, i should study 3C materials? (Plus individual adjustment of course)
For kicking system in the books, they only demonstrate corner 5 and plus 2 in a simple scenario. Is there a "kick system bible" in the market?
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dead aims kicking academy as referenced above is FREE and mayble not a kicking bible but close
http://deadstrokeuniversity.com/Kicking_Academy.pdf
there is probably a years worth of material in it till you have the systems memorized and and can use them on command
they work on a pool table and should be the foundation of your kicking knowledge
im not an instructor but a student of kicking systems so... jmho
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Pidge said:
3C systems work for 3C tables. They don't adapt too well to pool tables from my experience. I've watched Tor Lowry's Zero X kicking about 10 times at least and he covers absolutely everything a person needs to know. Whilst the system itself is really easy to understand I tend not to use it. I purely play kicks how ever many rails by looking at the angle in, then angle out from rail to rail until I stumble across one that hits my target. Tables play different all the time so its easier for me to just judge it from experience.

However, if you haven't already check out Zero X Kicking. :-)
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pidge
with all due respect i disagree
except for the corner 5 where you have to use the 3 tract as your base to the corner instead of 2
and the 10/20/30/40 system for 2 railers where on a pool table also takes an adjustment
i have found most very translatable from the 3c book to the pool table
thats been my experience
i agree with your suggestion to the op of checking out zero X kicking by tor lowry
very educational and very well produced
 
3kushn said:
This is what's important. ^^^

Nice to know systems but be careful . There's many adjustments for most if not all systems.

I've known top 3C players that calculate every shot. They've spent decades perfecting all of them.

Know them but know your instincts.
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yes...and may the force be with you......:smile:
(post intended to agree with you and not be sarcastic which after i read it realized it could be taken the wrong way)
 
bbb said:
pidge
with all due respect i disagree
except for the corner 5 where you have to use the 3 tract as your base to the corner instead of 2
and the 10/20/30/40 system for 2 railers where on a pool table also takes an adjustment
i have found most very translatable from the 3c book to the pool table
thats been my experience
i agree with your suggestion to the op of checking out zero X kicking by tor lowry
very educational and very well produced
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I have found 3C tables play completely different to pool tables and that's what I based it on. There are countless systems out there for pool and 3C so there is no need to learn either if you are not playing one or the other.
 
Pidge said:
I have found 3C tables play completely different to pool tables and that's what I based it on. There are countless systems out there for pool and 3C so there is no need to learn either if you are not playing one or the other.
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lets agree to disagree
i find 3c systems helpfull for kicking on a pool table and you do not
we are both right......:)
 
If we simply look at the Corner 5 system as an example. Pool tables typically come in 1/2 to a full diamond short compared to a well set up 3C table. So simply make a test bank from the corner to #3 and notice where the CB comes in. There's your adjustment for that table and that shot. If it comes in 1/2 diamond short then your first rail contact is 1/2 diamond longer or 2-1/2.

A simple adjustment for the rest of the system is, as you move up the long rail add a 1/10 of a diamond to your calculation for each full diamond change from the corner. Things get a little more tricky as you get past the side pocket although. Now you'll start adjusting your English to the point you're doing a little half masse. Then you simply run out of table to get to 2-1/2 or #3.

An easier way but not quite as accurate to work the corner 5 is find your first rail that brings you to the corner. Then for every diamond you move up the long rail move 1/2 diamond up on the first rail. As you move across the short rail come back a full diamond for each diamond position change.
 
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bbb said:
dead aims kicking academy as referenced above is FREE and mayble not a kicking bible but close
http://deadstrokeuniversity.com/Kicking_Academy.pdf
there is probably a years worth of material in it till you have the systems memorized and and can use them on command
they work on a pool table and should be the foundation of your kicking knowledge
im not an instructor but a student of kicking systems so... jmho
......
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+1 on Deadaim's Kicking Academy. His compilation entails about 20 diamond systems adapted from billiards references and adapted to a pool table. Most of them are very useful.

I printed these out and worked diligently to learn them. Some of the language is muddled and it needs to be thoroughly dissected; it took a lot of work and about 6 months or so to honestly implement the systems into my game. In the end, it was well worth the effort. I'm not Efren off the rails but I no longer guess at most kicks, I don't fear when players leave me ho-hum safes that I can easily get out of, and I look forward to finding creative ways to find my way to hit tough kicks based on the options presented in KA.

Deadaim, I know you don't really post anymore, but if you read this I want to give you a sincere thanks for putting up your material. It's been available for free for the last 10 years and has been an invaluable resource.

Any pocket billiards player looking to expand their kicking smarts would be behooved to d/l a copy and pore over what it has to offer. It has plenty.
 
Danimal said:
+1 on Deadaim's Kicking Academy. His compilation entails about 20 diamond systems adapted from billiards references and adapted to a pool table. Most of them are very useful.

I printed these out and worked diligently to learn them. Some of the language is muddled and it needs to be thoroughly dissected; it took a lot of work and about 6 months or so to honestly implement the systems into my game. In the end, it was well worth the effort. I'm not Efren off the rails but I no longer guess at most kicks, I don't fear when players leave me ho-hum safes that I can easily get out of, and I look forward to finding creative ways to find my way to hit tough kicks based on the options presented in KA.

Deadaim, I know you don't really post anymore, but if you read this I want to give you a sincere thanks for putting up your material. It's been available for free for the last 10 years and has been an invaluable resource.

Any pocket billiards player looking to expand their kicking smarts would be behooved to d/l a copy and pore over what it has to offer. It has plenty.
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its a no brainer to me
learn dead aims stuff
it will help you throughout your pool career
 
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