Huebler ferrule is cylinder with mostly wood touching cue tip -- Advantages? Disadvantages?

[Paul_#_]

Just wondering why ferrule is a cylinder with most of surface cue-stick wood on this older Huebler. Any advantages to this over surface all ferrule?

I removed the very worn tip with my thumb. Does the tip tend to come off these types of ferrules?

 

[SSDiver2112]

Just wondering why ferrule is a cylinder with most of surface cue-stick wood on this older Huebler. Any advantages to this over surface all ferrule?

I removed the very worn tip with my thumb. Does the tip tend to come off these types of ferrules?

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Yes this is very common.
Here are some links.

Capped or un-capped ferrule and why....?

Years ago I modified a schon shaft by cutting the ferrule down so that the tip was glued to the wood of the shaft in the center and the ferrule on the outside. Seemed to me the new combo was able to produce a lot more english compared to the standard longer capped ferrule. So, I am curious as...

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Ferrule question, capped or uncapped

So I was just curious, and this is mostly out of ignorancy (not stupidity), but is there really an advantage to using a capped ferrule over an uncapped ferrule? The only reason that I could think of would be materials such as Ivory that do not have the structural integrity to stand up to being...

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capped vs. uncapped ferrules

I'm no cue hound in the least so I don't know what's typical do most cues do cap or nah? I've read a bit in the archives capped more stability, strength uncapped more feel, livelier hit but I'm wondering what do you like/not like? and why? specifically would an uncapped ferrule necessarily be...

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[boogieman]

Yes this is very common.
Here are some links.

Capped or un-capped ferrule and why....?

Years ago I modified a schon shaft by cutting the ferrule down so that the tip was glued to the wood of the shaft in the center and the ferrule on the outside. Seemed to me the new combo was able to produce a lot more english compared to the standard longer capped ferrule. So, I am curious as...

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Ferrule question, capped or uncapped

So I was just curious, and this is mostly out of ignorancy (not stupidity), but is there really an advantage to using a capped ferrule over an uncapped ferrule? The only reason that I could think of would be materials such as Ivory that do not have the structural integrity to stand up to being...

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capped vs. uncapped ferrules

I'm no cue hound in the least so I don't know what's typical do most cues do cap or nah? I've read a bit in the archives capped more stability, strength uncapped more feel, livelier hit but I'm wondering what do you like/not like? and why? specifically would an uncapped ferrule necessarily be...

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Thanks for the links, some good material in those threads.

 

[jayman]

Without following the links above. From a structural standpoint the ferule is there to protect the shaft from splitting or mushrooming. The rest is more about weight and structural integrity from a design stand point. Then of course it is aesthetically a common part of a cue shaft that many of us are very used to and like the look.

 

[Paul_#_]

Snippets of earlier discussions of capped & uncapped ferrules glued to cue tips:

A cuebuilder figures the lesser the ferrule material, the more natural the cue play:

That brings me to the conclusion that I have always known, anyway, which is that the less material you have in the ferrule, the more natural the cue will play. The more material present, the more the cue will take on the play characteristics of the material

Players figure capped or uncapped ferrule will affect the hit depending on the ferrule material

The one thing I never did like about capped ferrules is that the cue takes on the feel of the material being used, and I personally prefer to let the cue be defined by the woods. Granted, that difference can be so minimal that it doesn't even matter, but with some materials it can be pretty obvious.

I agree that the thru ferrule configuration plays better than the capped ferrule and I like the solid hit and feedback it produces, but that’s just my opinion.

Some players don't even use a dang ferrule --- just a pad!

The cue I've been using for over a year now does not have any ferrule at all.
(Bob Jewett style) <G> Just a fiber pad on the end of the shaft. I break with it as well.

Ferrule should be at least 1/2" length:

a capped ferrule is more resistant to breaking but does cushion the hit and softens it.............. an uncapped ferrule usually won't break as long as it is at least 1/2 inch long........... and it does give a sharper hit,,,, a capped ferrule is usually threaded and an uncapped can be threaded or just a tube........

This is all about nothing --- a ferrule has little effect on hit compared to using something like an Elk Master cue tip:

The ferule is much like the type of joint. People love to discuss it because it makes them feel "in the know" when in reality it's just one miniscule element in the bigger picture. Put and elk master and then a water buffalo on any ferrule and tell me how big a factor the ferrule is in how it feels. It's mostly snake oil.

Replacing capped ferrule on older Schon cue with an uncapped ferrule helped because Schon's earlier cues used a really too-hard Micarta ferrule

The old Schons had a real hard ferrule that played really hard. So the more of that ferrule you could get rid of the less hard the feel and more response you would get out of the tip. Getting rid of the old Micarta ferrule helped Schon's hit tremendously IMO.
Chris

Ivory ferrules need to be capped:

The cap on an ivory ferrule is very necessary, without it the ferrule would crack almost everytime. A fiber pad is also necessary when using a ivory ferrule, this helps prevent chipping your ferrule when the tip gets low and one miscues.

Hadj puts dowel in ferrule. Inserts ferrule/dowel in bored-out shaft:

cut the tenon on the ferrule, drill a hole at the base of tenon up to .250 before the cap then plug it with a dowel. Bore the shaft, slip the tenon in that's it. No holes uncovered.

What he did was bore out the end of the shaft and glued in a new tenon. Then he installed an uncapped ferrule.

It hits great. Tons of feedback and feel.

One way to attach ferrule to tenon:

What I do with my personal cues is bore out the ferrule for a snug fit on the tenon. Score the tenon and inner ferrule and epoxy them to a tight fit.

A capped ferrule with a void below cap can cause a tinking sound (but not the Predator?):

I've had to change alot of capped ferules, because of the glue void making a tinking sound, and due to the undersized tenons breaking

Predator puts hole in shaft under ferrule (but why no tinking sound?):

What predator has is a hole drilled at the shafts end. As to how they put on the ferrule, I'm not aware of. I

Using an expoxy-impregnated wood or a really hard wood as a ferrule?

I've never tried using wood for ferrules. I don't know anything about impregnating wood with an epoxy or such either.

osage orange (bois d'arc) might make a good ferrule/tenon combination,,,sure is hard wood............

Rubber-ferrule experiment ---say what?
Has anyone actually tried a rubber ferule? something stiffer than 90 Duro A, of course. I do mean experimental, just to see what happens.

Seems like designed right it would spin like crazy. (longer contact period)

Do ferrules move when hit and pump air in and out of ferrule?

There is a still image from a video I suspect that used to be around, may still be, that shows a ferrule moving a lot! House cues almost always have a very soft ferrule on them to dampen what could be a very stiff hit. I worked on a gross of house cues for a hall, new tips, new ferrules on many. I swapped out to much stiffer ferrules. One thing I found interesting, capped, uncapped, every one of those 3/4" or longer ferrules had blue chalk under them! They had worked as pumps or bellows and sucked in that chalk. I am talking an even layer or chalk end to end of the ferrule between it and the wood. I don't want a comparatively soft ferrule on my stick!

A ferrule-less future?

he softer the ferrule, the more it works like the rubber in the examples above. The harder it is, the closer it comes to steel. At this point or sometime in the near future I think the ferrule will no longer be needed. Tips and shafts can do the same work and we have one less component to concern ourselves with.

What's with the Revo shaft's 'vault plate' ferrule?

Just as a matter of interest, look at the "vault plate" I think it is called on a REVO shaft. That is an interesting looking ferrule for you!

 

[ideologist]

Just wondering why ferrule is a cylinder with most of surface cue-stick wood on this older Huebler. Any advantages to this over surface all ferrule?

I removed the very worn tip with my thumb. Does the tip tend to come off these types of ferrules?

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A 3/8 tenon like this is LD before LD existed

Plays excellent, the only downside is the wood can swell or plastic can shrink, separating from the tip like it did in your case

It's decades old though, time for a new tip anyway

 

[dendweller]

A 3/8 tenon like this is LD before LD existed

Plays excellent, the only downside is the wood can swell or plastic can shrink, separating from the tip like it did in your case

It's decades old though, time for a new tip anyway

I've used uncapped ferrules for years, never had a problem with tips falling off. Lately I've been the plug style, haven't had tips flying off those either.

 

[ideologist]

I've used uncapped ferrules for years, never had a problem with tips falling off. Lately I've been the plug style, haven't had tips flying off those either.

It doesn't fall off, but there is a gap between the ferrule and tip eventually. That's why he could pop the tip off with his thumb

 

[Paul_#_]

The Huebler had been around a while and its tip worn (the middle one):

 

[cueman]

Replacing capped ferrule on older Schon cue with an uncapped ferrule helped because Schon's earlier cues used a really too-hard Micarta ferrule

The old Schons had a real hard ferrule that played really hard. So the more of that ferrule you could get rid of the less hard the feel and more response you would get out of the tip. Getting rid of the old Micarta ferrule helped Schon's hit tremendously IMO.
Chris

Your conclusion In BOLD above to what I meant was wrong. My wording probably was not as clear as it could have been.
Schon switched to Capped LBM ferrules from Capped Micarta not to an uncapped ferrule. Some love the old MIcarta. I am not a fan and played with it good while.