I Finally Found A Magic* Cue !!!

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just kidding. what is the purpouse of this then? one might ask?, well, it's simple, as much as some out there would love to believe in santa, and the tooth fairy, they are the same people who believe in a magic cue. their waiting for that "thing" that certain somwthing to, make them never miss again. well WAKE UP! there is no magic cue, it's what you like and what feels good in your own, hands, not mine. give me a $75 orchid cue with no wrap, a plain jane( if you will) and with a decent lay of the table after the break, i'll run out. as long as the tip is scuffed, and the master chalk is holding, i'm a happy guy. people, please--- don't OVERpay for your cues! if you spend $200 for a cue, it should last you the rest of your life, and it should win you many tournaments. why spend $2000, when you could spend $200 for the exact same result~~~~~~~~~~ pocketing balls, getting position and winning tournaments. keep your feet on the ground, and take notes on souquet,fisher and van den berg, i promise you, that you will benifit more, by studying these players, than investing in a $2000 cue.yours truely, bernie.
 
I don't think anyone around here ever said that paying alot for a cue makes you a better player. Its just fun to play with something special to you. Why drive a nice car? Eat a good meal? Take a fun trip?
 
this is true, you raise a good point. i am not rich, however i am not poor either. most folks, want a car that is reliable, and nice, they are willing to pay $25,000 for a toyota camry. however, not many people can aford an $80,000 Lexus LS430. in pool, a lot of people claim, "if you pay a lot for a cue, it will make you play better" to that i say NOT SO!, buy the camry, and not the lexus, they'll both get you where you have to go, and yes, if you gotr the bucks, buy the chudy, not the Mali.
 
Talking about Mali's, they used to put a model out about 3 years ago called the Mal 10. It had kind of an Indian look to it in the butt and forearm design. Do you know which one I'm talking about? They stopped producing it and I could kick my ass for not getting one. Do you know of anyone that still might have one?
 
THE SILENCER said:
just kidding. what is the purpouse of this then? one might ask?, well, it's simple, as much as some out there would love to believe in santa, and the tooth fairy, they are the same people who believe in a magic cue. their waiting for that "thing" that certain somwthing to, make them never miss again. well WAKE UP! there is no magic cue, it's what you like and what feels good in your own, hands, not mine. give me a $75 orchid cue with no wrap, a plain jane( if you will) and with a decent lay of the table after the break, i'll run out. as long as the tip is scuffed, and the master chalk is holding, i'm a happy guy. people, please--- don't OVERpay for your cues! if you spend $200 for a cue, it should last you the rest of your life, and it should win you many tournaments. why spend $2000, when you could spend $200 for the exact same result~~~~~~~~~~ pocketing balls, getting position and winning tournaments. keep your feet on the ground, and take notes on souquet,fisher and van den berg, i promise you, that you will benifit more, by studying these players, than investing in a $2000 cue.yours truely, bernie.
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Silencer, it is not just buying a high dollar cue. Some people like to collect them. They are an investment. If you paid George Balabushka $103.00 for a cue and case, shipped to you COD, in 1970, you would have a $15,000 cue and case today. You could have played with it for 34 years and enjoyed it. What else can you invest in, enjoy every day for 34 years, and sell at 1500% profit? NOTHING buddy! I have a friend who loves antique motorcycles. He has about 10 of them. 1947 and 1948 Indians, old Harleys, new ones. So what, thats his thing. He sure as hell has a lot more invested in those bikes than I do in cues. I have never added it up, but I have about 20 custom cues. I buy about five a year. I sell some, keep some and play with them all.
Favorite, I have about five favorite cues. Blud, Kikel, Bob Frey, Huebler custom, Bear, Scruggs, Phillippi, and a high end sledgehammer, Love em all. I bet ya, if you had plenty of disposable income, you wouldn't be playing with a Mali. We play with what we can afford.
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Don P. :cool:
 
High end cues

I play with a $1200 Gilbert and just ordered a $1700 Skip Weston and I have no illusions that either cue makes me play better. I strongly believe that a good player should be able to play well with anything, as long as it has a decent tip and is somewhat straight.

That being said, there is something to having a cue that was made by a highly skilled cue maker. When you play with a cue that is perfectly balanced with the hit that makes you forget that the cue isn't part of your arm. Not to mention that I love beautiful cues. I really like the fact that in this sport you can play with a tool that is a functional work of art. Everyone has their own utility function and it's all about what is important to you and what you decide is worthy of your hard-earned money.

Just my $.02 :D

Zack
 
Well i guess its just personal preference, But i have and know several guys who just use a average cue, yet play very well.

A good friend of mine, has a 150$ viking that he has been playing with for yrs, and i asked him why he hasnt gone to something a lil bit better. And he just said, he has thought about it, but he has played with this stick for so long that he is very comfortable with it, and doesnt want to start over with a new stick.

But in the same token, in feb 2000, i got back into the game, and went out and bought a Viking Vm15, yet two weeks later, i go n buy my Schon LTD and spend 700$ on it, with the discount.

And i love my Schon, it hits and plays great, and has a very unique look that i havent found on any other Schon.
 
i believe your either talking about the M-10, or more likely, the M-12. my friend bought the M-12, and it was unbelievable looking!, very manly. pitch black ebony points, into american indian yellow stained forearm, great contrast. the butt sleeve, had rosewood, maple and ebony, with white big squares turned on end. is that the cue?, yeah you can't get it anymore. it retailed for $325, so a used one, would probaly fetch $250 or so, in good condition. Mali's like all production cues go down in value, while hand made chudy's or black's go up. however a 1968 Mali in top condition would go for around $2000.
 
i agree with most of these guys here. the price of the cue is nothing its all about comfort. you could play with a $133 cue and have attributes about that cue suited to your comfort level, ie tip, taper, wrap or non and still play awesome. like someone said before any good player should be able to take almost any cue and play with it. while the debate on whether or not a players skill is in the cue that just garbage and nonsense. everyone's game is all in their head if you think you shoot awesome and have a high confidence level then you should shoot alright, while skill is also a factor here. all a cue is doing is raising or lowering a shooters confidence level. if you feel your cue is holding you back then your gonna shoot like shit and blame your cue for you losses. yet when you game is on then all of a sudden the name of the cue or its design doesnt matter because it becomes part of you hand and body. so why do people pay so much for their cues 3 reasons. 1. cues are like clothes everyone wants the brand name stuff, if the people have the money they want to dress themselves in armani, the same goes for cues. 2. confidence level, they got a josswest or southwest or capone now all of a sudden they think they gots skills. 3. if you want to be unique in this sport you have to choose a style and like clothes again to look a certain way your going to pay for it...... thats all its about...................
 
I just remembered an article I read in, I think, Billiards Digest about the difference between male and female pros and there was a story from CJ Wiley where he recalls Allison Fischer coming to his pool hall and he started playing her with a house cue and she was kicking his arse. He then borrowed a better cue from someone there and she was still kicking his arse. He then had to go back to the back to get his cue and then she still gave him a run for his money.

I think this is probably more a comfort issue than a cost issue, but I remembered it so I posted it :D

Zack
 
Well there is more to a custom cue than just the looks. I've been fortunate in the last few months to have been able to play with numerous cues and have talked to numerous knowledgeable people about cue construction. I was talking to BCM about a potential cue, and I was able to give him everything that I would like to have in a 'custom' cue, from weight to balance point, joint constuction to pin material, shaft taper to ferrule and tip specs. These are things you can't get done with a production cue. This is why custom cues cost more, and if done right, it can make you play better, because it feels right in your hands and in your stroke. The same premise goes for most any sport, golf clubs get custom fitted, baseball bats come in different weights, and yes Barry Bonds gets his bats custom made by some guy in New England I believe. Runners get custom made shoes, there are custom made darts, almost anything. Bottom line, if you are a recreational player get recreational eqipment, if you are a serious player, get serious equipment. Just do what's best for you.

And Silencer, this is like the 15th post you've done trying to sway people from buying custom cues, I think we know your stance by now, there is no need to continue clogging up the forums with your banter. If you feel the need, ptition for a sticky post that has nothing but your views in it so that every new comer can read them so us regulars don't have to.
 
THE SILENCER said:
in pool, a lot of people claim, "if you pay a lot for a cue, it will make you play better" to that i say NOT SO!
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Where in the hell did you ever hear anybody say that?!?! Man, I run into a lot of drunken ball-bangers that know NOTHING of the game, but never even once heard one stupid enough to think that a cue will make you better.
 
JJHolmquist said:
Man, I run into a lot of drunken ball-bangers that know NOTHING of the game, but never even once heard one stupid enough to think that a cue will make you better.
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Oh, really??? What planet have you been living on? How about a shaft? You must not read any of the claims that the Predator nuts put out on a regular basis about all the wonderful things they can now do with a cue that they never could before. How they were able to put spin on the ball by aiming at the outside edge of the CB, not miscuing, having no deflection, spinning the ball in place for 45 seconds, and if they want it to release they can go 8 rails with super spin and stop it within 1/8" from their desired mark. There's a new one going on right now...read it. Oh yeah, I forgot, also how they all went from a C- player to a B+ in a matter of days along with stringing together 10 rack runs.
 
drivermaker said:
...spinning the ball in place for 45 seconds, and if they want it to release they can go 8 rails with super spin and stop it within 1/8" from their desired mark...
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To this point I have not been swayed by any of the pro-predator pitches. Now I gotta have one!
 
Good point Drivermaker...although a bit exaggerated. :) However, a basic predator cue costs what...about $275? I wouldn't say that's an expensive cue, so to say that they play better with a predator doesn't necessarily mean that they play better with an expensive cue.
 
jer9ball said:
Good point Drivermaker...although a bit exaggerated. :) However, a basic predator cue costs what...about $275? I wouldn't say that's an expensive cue, so to say that they play better with a predator doesn't necessarily mean that they play better with an expensive cue.
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Well i shoot with a dominiak and i just ordered another one. Both customs. I have shot with a predator and didnt like it at all. everyone in this one pool hall i go to shoots with a predator and they all stink. I guess that what happens when you got money and no skill.
 
twiztid_cue said:
Well i shoot with a dominiak and i just ordered another one. Both customs. I have shot with a predator and didnt like it at all. everyone in this one pool hall i go to shoots with a predator and they all stink. I guess that what happens when you got money and no skill.
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funny guy you are! Predator doesn't make you better, but they are good cues, if you know how to use them. To judge a Predator after using one time isn't right. They keep their value pretty well, especially if you take care of them. You should invest in one, play with it for a while to get used to it...then if you still don't like it, sell it. The mechanics to it makes the hit different from most cues. The spin takes off more, and you don't have put on as much english. Read Cue of Fury's post about his new z-shaft...he explains it well!
 
Hey Chuck. I'm usually more amazed at how many players I see with expensive custom cues, yet they suck.
 
jer9ball said:
Good point Drivermaker...although a bit exaggerated. :) However, a basic predator cue costs what...about $275? I wouldn't say that's an expensive cue, so to say that they play better with a predator doesn't necessarily mean that they play better with an expensive cue.
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Exaggerated?....did I do that??....would I do that?? :rolleyes:
Most who go all out and buy the whole cue don't go that route. They get the super-duper spiffy looking model which is a lot more than Bernie's Mali. Take a look at the pictures of Diva's Predator. Now I know why she has to have two jobs. Hell, a regular 314 shaft alone, or especially the Z shaft is more than a Mali and many other cues. Doesn't that rate as expensive?
 
Chuck: I'm not defending Predator's predatory pricing practices. But, if you shop around you should be able to get a predator shaft for $130 or something like that. Not many cues worth buying are that cheap, in my opinion. You're right though, in that many people buying a complete predator cue are paying considerably more than the bare minimum it takes to get a good solid cue. I've played with a $100 cue for a few years (brunswick), and it came apart at the joints. Played with a $300 Joss, and it never had a problem in 8 years of heavy use. Loved it. Now I play with a custom cue, and love it too...but it didn't make me a better player. Just happier. Ha ha ha.

My opinion: If you want a predator cue, go buy a falcon 'cause it is cheaper and then add on a predator shaft. Falcon makes most of the predator cues anyway.
 
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