Information on this Dale Patten cue,please?
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Highly skilled machinist out of CA. He did not sign most of his cues. They all had 5/16 18 cue joints-- the joint pin that you picture here- check to see if it is 5/16 -18. Most shaft joints were piloted like this here cue. He made cues dating back to 1975, so 57 inch cues were fairly popular back then. Apparently he was friends with Gus Szamboti and Burton Spain so the notched diamond and maple window butt sleeve looks contemporary to the 70s along with the cue length. I have never seen a photo of his cues so not sure what his joint collars looked like in terms of the maple stitching that we see here in this cue and the butt sleeve area.
Very possibly a Patten cue, the cue looks aged back to that era and the birds eyes also are on the smaller side- just like a lot of Gus Szamboti cues and other cues from that era- denser maple from what I have seen. The patina on the shaft also seems to date the cue back quite a way- perhaps to his era, I don't think that he made a lot of cues from the mid 80s forward. If you are out CA. way that may help add to the pin pointing as well.
if the cue is straight, I would think that $300 to $500 on the high side as value to someone who knows his work or likes this style cue. I like it a lot and I bet that it plays very well, based on Dale's pedigree.
Very possibly a Patten cue, the cue looks aged back to that era and the birds eyes also are on the smaller side- just like a lot of Gus Szamboti cues and other cues from that era- denser maple from what I have seen. The patina on the shaft also seems to date the cue back quite a way- perhaps to his era, I don't think that he made a lot of cues from the mid 80s forward. If you are out CA. way that may help add to the pin pointing as well.
if the cue is straight, I would think that $300 to $500 on the high side as value to someone who knows his work or likes this style cue. I like it a lot and I bet that it plays very well, based on Dale's pedigree.
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Yes I checked the joint pin and it's 5/16 x18 for sure. Years ago I was taught to go to the hardware store and buy the common pin sizes and it's served me well, Mike. I'm with you, I think Dale made the the cue. Hueblers were the world's worst for people cross threading and slightly bending the pin,I've seen it time and again! So I add a flat washer and 3 nuts of the correct size and torque them together and it centers up the pin. I let it sit for an hour. While I'm waiting, I gently re tap the nylon bushing. Works every time! Thanks for the information Mike. There have been a few Patten cues on here showing the pin and ringwork, please check them out. Thanks again, sir! Regards, Scott.
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Unfortunately, I'm in Nc. I don't know anyone who would verify this cue,except maybe Pete T?
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Mike I dug up some pictures of Dale's cues from this site. They do look similar. What do you think, buddy?High
ly skilled machinist out of CA. He did not sign most of his cues. They all had 5/16 18 cue joints-- the joint pin that you picture here- check to see if it is 5/16 -18. Most shaft joints were piloted like this here cue. He made cues dating back to 1975, so 57 inch cues were fairly popular back then. Apparently he was friends with Gus Szamboti and Burton Spain so the notched diamond and maple window butt sleeve looks contemporary to the 70s along with the cue length. I have never seen a photo of his cues so not sure what his joint collars looked like in terms of the maple stitching that we see here in this cue and the butt sleeve area.
Very possibly a Patten cue, the cue looks aged back to that era and the birds eyes also are on the smaller side- just like a lot of Gus Szamboti cues and other cues from that era- denser maple from what I have seen. The patina on the shaft also seems to date the cue back quite a way- perhaps to his era, I don't think that he made a lot of cues from the mid 80s forward. If you are out CA. way that may help add to the pin pointing as well.
if the cue is straight, I would think that $300 to $500 on the high side as value to someone who knows his work or likes this style cue. I like it a lot and I bet that it plays very well, based on Dale's pedigree.
Hit some balls with it. The shaft might have visible oscillations. The couple I came across were like that.
Those are the Florence models. I don't know if he financed the whole business or what. I stayed away from steel joints at the time (70s). Seems they all reminded me of Tads.
Yes RF was Richie Florence model cues by Dale Patten. I think that they also were 5/16 18- many of those being flat faced shaft joint as opposed to non RF cues being mostly piloted 5/16 18 joints.
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I have an Adam "FG" Model, it hits much stiffer than any other Adam I've ever had. It's a piloted joint also, but the trick to it is the joint is stainless steel, both the butt and shaft!
Must be very good wood. Taper that long is usually whippy.
That coral looks like food. Looks delicious.
