Interesting 8 ball rule question

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billb

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Interesting scenario at TAP league the other night and I wanted some input. The situation was this:

1) incoming player has ball in hand and places the cueball (he is bridging over a pack of balls)
2) he accidentally bumps one of those balls after he has placed the cueball and is preparing to shoot (definitely an accident)
3) he acknowledges the bump and asks me (his opponent) if I want to put it back or not
4) I decided to leave it where it ended up instead of replacing it
5) he then reassesses his choice and picks up the cueball and shoots a ball in the pack that wasnt previously an option (it had been blocked) but became an option because I elected to keep the bumped ball where it rolled to and to not replace it to its original position
6) he runs out

The question is this....is he allowed to change the cueball position and shoot a different ball than the one he was aligning to shoot when the bump happened. Our assessment was yes....I decided to keep the bumped ball where it was and therefore, he could move the cueball since he technically still had ball in hand. BUT, we werent 100% sure. We used what we considered common sense.

Does anyone know if this is correct or not? The league is TAP.
 
Absolutely acceptable to change which ball you are shooting at when you have BIH.

Wasn't this exact same thread started a few weeks ago?

Edit: Found it.

hlymnstr14

Thread 'Rule question'

Opponent has ball in hand with 2 low balls, i have 1 high ball left, and there's the 8 ball.

As opponent is getting ready to shoot, he bumps my high ball which is very close to his other ball he's not shooting.

I say just leave it. Opponent then picks up the cue ball and shoots the other ball because now it's in a better position to get out, which he does.

My question is that legal to pick up the cue ball and shoot that ball?

I didn't dispute it, but I did raise the question after the game was over.
 
In general BIH rule sets:: the disruption of anything on the table in placing CB under BIH rules results in a {Foul, BIH back to you}.
Don't know about TAP.
 
still the other guy can now put the balls back where they should be, he doesnt lose his right to that just as the player doesnt lose his right to move where he places the cueball.
 
maybe you need to learn to speak up before, if you are getting screwed instead of coming here later on and asking if it was right.

this is directed at the player that lost the game.
 
Once the OP chose not to use the restorative option he is locked into that decision.

His opponent had ball in hand & endless cueball placement options until he plays a shot.

Not the other way around.
 
maha said:
maybe you need to learn to speak up before, if you are getting screwed instead of coming here later on and asking if it was right.

this is directed at the player that lost the game.
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OP screwed himself by not analyzing the table correctly & not putting the moved ball back into it's original position. It is his option to put the moved ball back where he thinks it was originally. I have seen some pretty shitty moves in this situation leaving the shooter nothing at all.

Moral of the story is don't be moving balls around.
 
maha said:
maybe you need to learn to speak up before, if you are getting screwed instead of coming here later on and asking if it was right.

this is directed at the player that lost the game.
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Well, first off , I don’t need a lecture as to when and what I should do. I simply asked a question because I wasn’t sure. TRUST ME, I have zero issue being bold. Hence my decision to tell you that your not so subtle jab is a total douche bag comment. I did nothing to provoke or deserve that.

I simply asked because we didn’t know and we used a common sense, sportsmanlike approach in that moment.
 
Fore Rail said:
OP screwed himself by not analyzing the table correctly & not putting the moved ball back into it's original position. It is his option to put the moved ball back where he thinks it was originally. I have seen some pretty shitty moves in this situation leaving the shooter nothing at all.

Moral of the story is don't be moving balls around.
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Fore Rail said:
Once the OP chose not to use the restorative option he is locked into that decision.

His opponent had ball in hand & endless cueball placement options until he plays a shot.

Not the other way around.
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Agreed. My thoughts were that once I made my decision, it was then his decision to move the cue ball or not. I left it where it was because I thought it was more advantageous than putting it back. I played my hand and he played his. No malice either way.

I agree with the moral of the story…. don’t move them around. 🤣🤣🤣

I appreciate your detailed response.
 
JABSolstice said:
Absolutely acceptable to change which ball you are shooting at when you have BIH.

Wasn't this exact same thread started a few weeks ago?

Edit: Found it.

hlymnstr14

Thread 'Rule question'

Opponent has ball in hand with 2 low balls, i have 1 high ball left, and there's the 8 ball.

As opponent is getting ready to shoot, he bumps my high ball which is very close to his other ball he's not shooting.

I say just leave it. Opponent then picks up the cue ball and shoots the other ball because now it's in a better position to get out, which he does.

My question is that legal to pick up the cue ball and shoot that ball?

I didn't dispute it, but I did raise the question after the game was over.
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I missed that one. ☹️
 
billb said:
Interesting scenario at TAP league the other night and I wanted some input. The situation was this:

1) incoming player has ball in hand and places the cueball (he is bridging over a pack of balls)
2) he accidentally bumps one of those balls after he has placed the cueball and is preparing to shoot (definitely an accident)
3) he acknowledges the bump and asks me (his opponent) if I want to put it back or not
4) I decided to leave it where it ended up instead of replacing it
5) he then reassesses his choice and picks up the cueball and shoots a ball in the pack that wasnt previously an option (it had been blocked) but became an option because I elected to keep the bumped ball where it rolled to and to not replace it to its original position
6) he runs out

The question is this....is he allowed to change the cueball position and shoot a different ball than the one he was aligning to shoot when the bump happened. Our assessment was yes....I decided to keep the bumped ball where it was and therefore, he could move the cueball since he technically still had ball in hand. BUT, we werent 100% sure. We used what we considered common sense.

Does anyone know if this is correct or not? The league is TAP.
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This was a question on Reddit also, there is no reason under those rules that they can't change the position until they actually shoot. In all ball foul rules, the other player gets ball in hand.
 
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