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Sometimes the odds can run ridiculously wild. Some online bookies accept bets while games are in progress. What do you think?
i would expect more thrown matches because there isn't enough tournament money to be made, so there is more to gain by throwing a match than coming in 1st-4th.
is it good for pool? i'll bet every pool player is drooling at the thought of finally "cashing in". remember several years ago in either reno or LV, when the players cashed in on lebron(or so the story goes)?
is it good for pool? i'll bet every pool player is drooling at the thought of finally "cashing in". remember several years ago in either reno or LV, when the players cashed in on lebron(or so the story goes)?
Until the pro players are making enough money from pool that they don't care about online betting, then I don't think it is a good idea. From what I hear the snooker players in Europe make tons of money. Do you think they care about the online betting? or about being the best and cashing in?
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bruin70 said:
Bruin, i was thinking the exact same thing when i first heard about online betting for pool. Say you got a guy who knows he isnt going to come in the money in the tourney but is a fav to beat a few guys along the way. What stops him from getting down on the other guy and throwing it ? Probably make a hell of a lot more than he would by winning the whole tourney.
Almost everything that can be bet on can be fixed or has been at one time or another.
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Almost everything, Hopster. I agree. But at least horses cannot place bets.
I don't want to be a troublemaker here, but it is good that people are aware of probabilities. Many fans idolize the Pros, and it is such a pity that these things can happen.
This sort of thing will dampen the momentum of 9-ball in how it has been elevated from a sleezy game into a sport at the expense of sponsors and avid fans who jeer and cheer in their lonesome in front of the TV.
I am not suggesting that organizers are in kahoots with bookies as perhaps they are the only readily available sponsors. Maybe it is survival, and at least pros have big tournaments to look forward to. But until non-pool related companies are not guaranteed that their brands will not be tarnished, pool will not be enjoying the kind of loyalty of sponsors that, say, tennis has.
Tennis pros have astounding year-end earnings! There are probably more poolhouses than tennis courts worldwide; more pool players that tennis players. Mathematically, it can be done provided we all clean up our image in our own small capacity until the profile of a pool player equals that of a tennis player.
Long live 9-ball!!!
I don't want to be a troublemaker here, but it is good that people are aware of probabilities. Many fans idolize the Pros, and it is such a pity that these things can happen.
This sort of thing will dampen the momentum of 9-ball in how it has been elevated from a sleezy game into a sport at the expense of sponsors and avid fans who jeer and cheer in their lonesome in front of the TV.
I am not suggesting that organizers are in kahoots with bookies as perhaps they are the only readily available sponsors. Maybe it is survival, and at least pros have big tournaments to look forward to. But until non-pool related companies are not guaranteed that their brands will not be tarnished, pool will not be enjoying the kind of loyalty of sponsors that, say, tennis has.
Tennis pros have astounding year-end earnings! There are probably more poolhouses than tennis courts worldwide; more pool players that tennis players. Mathematically, it can be done provided we all clean up our image in our own small capacity until the profile of a pool player equals that of a tennis player.
Long live 9-ball!!!
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Sputnik said:
Youre not being a troubler maker, youre stating your opinion just like everyone else. That said , youre right, horses cant place bets but the people who own them and ride them do.
Let me say a little something, i been in the gambling business almost my entire life, if theres money involved and people have a say in the outcome, then you can bet your last dollar that someone is going to find a way to steal. its just human nature.
Funny you should mention horses, let me tell you a little story.
Back in the 60,s my pop was a big bookmaker in New York. the guy who he worked with/for knew people so to speak. Anyway this guy comes to my pop and gives him a horse to bet on but tells him not to take any action himself on this race.
Well, to make a long story short this happened over the course of a year and he gave my pop 18 out of 21 winners in a row.
Think something was wrong there ?? lol
if there is a possibility that thousands upon thousands upon thousands rest on an outcome, someone will try to influence the game.
someone will come up to joe-top pro, who perenially comes in 8-12(which won't pay expenses), and in fact is a losing situation, and offer a deal to make more money than the 1st place finisher..........OR, he might say "joe, you WILL lose your match".
players, even the honest ones, already compromise their position, as i have heard many many stories of players agreeing to split their winnings with a friend, whoever comes in the money.
someone will come up to joe-top pro, who perenially comes in 8-12(which won't pay expenses), and in fact is a losing situation, and offer a deal to make more money than the 1st place finisher..........OR, he might say "joe, you WILL lose your match".
players, even the honest ones, already compromise their position, as i have heard many many stories of players agreeing to split their winnings with a friend, whoever comes in the money.
sputnik, i agree with hopster, you're not making trouble. when i first heard of the online gambling idea, i thought to myself that this was a very bad idea. the game will be SO compromised, it won't be funny. i think the only honest thing left in the game is that they still try to win.
i don't know if they've done it yet, but they could without anyone's say so. the only thing that would stop it is if there wasn't enough bets made on pool. and if everyone thinks like us, then it might not fly anyway.
i don't know if they've done it yet, but they could without anyone's say so. the only thing that would stop it is if there wasn't enough bets made on pool. and if everyone thinks like us, then it might not fly anyway.
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BTW, after openning an account with Online Bookies, placing a bet is as simple as calling cellular, giving your account number, and placing a bet - even while the game is in progress. As the games are in progress, the odds change.
What bugs me is that people in their homeland pray for them, stay up late or into the wee hours of the morning, root for or pin their hopes on them and they decide to help their opponent win to earn more than the top prize coutesy of on-line betting. The title can wait 'til next year!