Is this a TRADE DEAL GONE WRONG?

stiqs

stiqs

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Here's the scenario.
I did a trade deal with another AZB member. My four cues for his NOVA. I told the person to ship first and said he will. A few days later, I pm the person asking if he shipped yet and said that he will first thing in the morning. I patiently waited for a week and a half for the NOVA to be shipped. I have been communicating with him all week and would get a response a day or two later since he said he works nights. I have been patient enough so PM'd him one more time and said that if he doesn't plan on shipping that I will just put the cues back up for sale or trade. So he sent me a tracking number that same day that I thought was kinda suspicious because it was not going to California but was just being delivered to OHIO. Found out later it was a USPS mistake. Cue came and I shot with it a few times. So I PM'd the person and said this is not going to work out since this cue hits like crap. His response was "Are you serious? I thought we had a deal? I had this cue ready to sell for $325 to another person but instead I took a deal with you" Here's my response. ""I apologize this happened. But I am not happy with the cue, so why should I keep a cue I would not play with? I will ship cue in the morning."

I learned in this site that "A deal is not done unless both parties are happy". Please correct me if I am wrong and I am willing to accept fault.

Cheers
 
You should reimburse his shipping costs and apologize as you have. Be sure to return the cue fully insured signature required so this bad dream doesn't become a nightmare.
 
As said above. The deal is NEVER over until both parties are satisfied AND both of you receive your cues back!!!

However, for repeatedly cue renting individuals this is DIFFERENT once IT HAS BEEN documented.

Stiqs is not a renter, we have completed several GREAT transactions.
 
Personally I think the seller is not wrong and I would be very annoyed as well.

I would reimburse his shipping and apologize. You are buying a cue online without shooting with it. That is your risk not the sellers and they should not be asked to pay to let you try out the cue.

I get that you don't like the cue but it's really your own fault imo...
 
You can be annoyed, but for those of us who have been on BOTH ENDS OF THE STICK. You know that things happen and that is the COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

Sometimes people make a mistake or a bad decision. You WILL GET RIPPED APART on this forum if you so shall choose otherwise.

Nothing personal, but that just is how it goes.

IN MY HONEST OPINION, that is what keeps people honest and makes iTrader work on AZ Billiards.

However, if you are the seller and you do take the trade back, feel free to not DO BUSINESS WITH THEM AGAIN.

NO HARM NO FOWL.
 
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Did it come in with something wrong with it or did you just not like the feel of it? Was everything as descriped?

Edit: You do at the very least owe him the shipping..
 
Did you get the cue?
Did it match the cue in the pictures?
Did the guy get paid for it?

ya, id say it was a trade gone wrong

Thanks for warning us
 
Dockter said:
Did it come in with something wrong with it or did you just not like the feel of it? Was everything as descriped?

Edit: You do at the very least owe him the shipping..
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It felt like hitting with plywood plank. I just can't keep a cue that I can't shoot with. It came in the condition it was described.

Edit: I can and will send person his Shipping cost back. And yes, I did apologize numerous times.
 
JUST ANOTHER NOTE TO ADD:

The plaintiff CUEBUYER4U has a 0 iTrader so the experience of how AZ Billiards forums work is somewhat low. Which I just noticed I believe I owe him one for which I will add shortly, sorry about that.

Please understand that the AZ community is DIFFERENT than eBay...

Now do not take that the wrong way, I would NEVER bash the new guys because mosty likely these folks will become the new faces of this forum overtime and they have not in most cases done nothing wrong but maybe not fully understand how it works....
 
Communication is key. To me at least.

zpele said:
Personally I think the seller is not wrong and I would be very annoyed as well.

I would reimburse his shipping and apologize. You are buying a cue online without shooting with it. That is your risk not the sellers and they should not be asked to pay to let you try out the cue.

I get that you don't like the cue but it's really your own fault imo...
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I think its a good thing when people do pm about progress of a deal. I monitor those things so the chances of things going wrong can be slim.
 
Ok...I gotta clarify this

You traded 4 cues for his single Nova cue that he allegedly had sold for $325 to someone else?

Personally, If my 4 cues were worth that little to trade for one $325 cue, I would of kept the Nova if it was in good shape and traded up and sold it out right. But I digress...

I wouldn't necessarily classify it as a deal gone wrong as that insinuates he cheated you out of something IMO.

However, neither of you can be certain you are going to be happy with how the cue plays obviously before you actually get to use it.

But the honorable thing to do to promote trust is to undo the deal and ship cues back to one another. I would want both of us to be happy.

That's how I would have handled it anyway.


Gary
 
Billiardbills said:
JUST ANOTHER NOTE TO ADD:


Now do not take that the wrong way, I would NEVER bash the new guys because mosty likely these folks will become the new faces of this forum overtime and they have not in most cases done nothing wrong but maybe not fully understand how it works....
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I like how you put this because I think that's my case. I've lurked around the main and some other sub forums but have never took part in a buy or sell here so I'm guessing I don't know how it works. I'm glad I seen this though if it happens like this once in awhile because I can see how the seller wouldn't be all that happy. I'm not saying I would not still take part in a trade it's just nice to know that this is a risk first.
 
Ky Boy said:
Ok...I gotta clarify this

You traded 4 cues for his single Nova cue that he allegedly had sold for $325 to someone else?

Personally, If my 4 cues were worth that little to trade for one $325 cue, I would of kept the Nova if it was in good shape and traded up and sold it out right. But I digress...

I wouldn't necessarily classify it as a deal gone wrong as that insinuates he cheated you out of something IMO.

However, neither of you can be certain you are going to be happy with how the cue plays obviously before you actually get to use it.

But the honorable thing to do to promote trust is to undo the deal and ship cues back to one another. I would want both of us to be happy.

That's how I would have handled it anyway.


Gary
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I was going to trade 4 cues for his NOVA. He shipped first, I received it. Hit with it and felt like hitting with plywood planks. Messaged the person, and told him about it and said that I will ship in the morning. He never cheated me out of anything at all. I was just unhappy of how the cue felt. Wrap was very slippery and shaft felt like a lasso.
 
Thank you. I think that you are taking a risk even shipping a cue. However, like I said it is the cost of trading or doing business if you sell...
 
stiqs said:
I was going to trade 4 cues for his NOVA. He shipped first, I received it. Hit with it and felt like hitting with plywood planks. Messaged the person, and told him about it and said that I will ship in the morning. He never cheated me out of anything at all. I was just unhappy of how the cue felt. Wrap was very slippery and shaft felt like a lasso.
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I think this was a learning lesson for both of you. He put a lot of trust in you by shipping his cue first. If by you asking him to ship his cue first so you could try it out was the intention, then he really shouldn't get upset. And I do think His agreeing to ship his cue first seems that the trade deal was contingent upon your satisfaction with the Nova cue.

So, whether it was spoken or not I think there was a slight communication breakdown that could have averted both parties dissatisfaction.

Again, it's a learning lesson and that's what I would chalk it up to if it were me.

Gary
 
Ky Boy said:
I think this was a learning lesson for both of you. He put a lot of trust in you by shipping his cue first. If by you asking him to ship his cue first so you could try it out was the intention, then he really shouldn't get upset. And I do think His agreeing to ship his cue first seems that the trade deal was contingent upon your satisfaction with the Nova cue.

So, whether it was spoken or not I think there was a slight communication breakdown that could have averted both parties dissatisfaction.

Again, it's a learning lesson and that's what I would chalk it up to if it were me.

Gary
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Thank you Gary. I really appreciated the insight.
 
stiqs said:
Here's the scenario.
I did a trade deal with another AZB member. My four cues for his NOVA. I told the person to ship first and said he will. A few days later, I pm the person asking if he shipped yet and said that he will first thing in the morning. I patiently waited for a week and a half for the NOVA to be shipped. I have been communicating with him all week and would get a response a day or two later since he said he works nights. I have been patient enough so PM'd him one more time and said that if he doesn't plan on shipping that I will just put the cues back up for sale or trade. So he sent me a tracking number that same day that I thought was kinda suspicious because it was not going to California but was just being delivered to OHIO. Found out later it was a USPS mistake. Cue came and I shot with it a few times. So I PM'd the person and said this is not going to work out since this cue hits like crap. His response was "Are you serious? I thought we had a deal? I had this cue ready to sell for $325 to another person but instead I took a deal with you" Here's my response. ""I apologize this happened. But I am not happy with the cue, so why should I keep a cue I would not play with? I will ship cue in the morning."

I learned in this site that "A deal is not done unless both parties are happy". Please correct me if I am wrong and I am willing to accept fault.

Cheers
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Did you have an agreement in place that if you didn't like the hit of the cue you would back out of the deal?

IMO if he sent you what you had agreed upon and you didn't like how it played that would be on you and you should suck it up. The hit of a cue is subjective and he sent you what you wanted.
 
Sounds like you should see if the next person you trade with will agree to that term or at least let them know you intend to shoot with the cue first and only then decide to go through with the deal if you are pleased. Many retailers are in the business of offering a full refund within a certain time if you aren't happy but individual sellers and traders here aren't obligated to do the same. I do think it's the right thing to do to make sure both parties are happy but I also believe this should be mentioned upfront without assuming you're dealing with someone who thinks along the same lines. Refunding the shipping fees and apology for the misunderstanding is standard in this situation and hopefully no hard feelings.
 
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