Joint Pin Material

[NOSAJ03]

What role does the joint pin material play in the playability of a cue? Do some materials have a better response than others ? Does the type of material used play a part in the balance of a cue? Also I have been wondering about the G-10 glass epoxy pin that are common used in Cognoscenti cues, how do they rate in regards to sturdiness and playability. They look like they are brittle and can break easily but there has to be a reason why they are the choice pin for Mr Gold.

 

[piglit]

What role does the joint pin material play in the playability of a cue? Do some materials have a better response than others ? Does the type of material used play a part in the balance of a cue? Also I have been wondering about the G-10 glass epoxy pin that are common used in Cognoscenti cues, how do they rate in regards to sturdiness and playability. They look like they are brittle and can break easily but there has to be a reason why they are the choice pin for Mr Gold.

I have a g-10 cue and like it lots!

That said, and owning a steel pin cue w/shafts that fit g-10, I must say that I believe that any role that the pin plays in determining 'hit', is subject to...

I think that in the case of 1pin vs. another, the properties required of an cue pin: strength, rigidty, ability to take/ make/ hold a certain form (you add more) will play a bigger role in determining 'feel' than actual material.

For that reason, the 2 (3/8 x11) pins don't 'feel' different. The shafts each bring their own 'feel' to each butt, but each is also consistant between the 2 butts. The shaft's role in 'feel' of a cue, IMO, is much greater than the pin material .

But really, Blud, Ted H., JCues will have better replys.

Please enter!

-pige

 

[blud]

Hi Pige,

Good post above.

I use a stainless steel pin. Most folks refer my pin, being 3/8 x11 pin. It is NOT.

It is however a .348 dia. X 11.455 threads per inch.

The glass pin is a good pin. Joey has proven that. [Joey Gold]. The pin plays a big part in the flex of the joint, of a cue.

You can have a stainless steel joint collar and the cue will play a little stiffer than a flat face. Also if you have a radial pin, the cue will also play a little stiffer than the pin I use or the glass pin, and have a similar stiff hit as a steel joint.

The pin needs to be a good tight fit and the cue will seem as if it's a one piece cue.

As far as pins go, I think it's a matter of choice with most cue makers for which pin suits there needs..

The way I construct my cues, the stainless pin works very well at the joint of the cue. Having a given weighted pin, it allows me to balance the cue to the right point using the woods and also using a mid-body pin for the weight and balance.

I do not use a weight bolt in my cues. Some cuemakers do. I do not believe in them. I feel if it's built right with the proper balance, you need no weight bolt. Using a weight bolt will throw off the balance of the cue, making it not feel right.

If you purchase a cue at 19 oz's, and you want it 19.5, most guys will change the bolt, therefore, making the cue a little butt heavy, or install a lighter bolt, making it front heavy.

The joint pin plays a big part, being it is the same weight on every cue, the cuemaker can then build the cue with the right weight and balance, and if he takes his time , he needs no weight bolt.

The joint pin in my cues plays a big part of the cues make up.
The joint pin is what I call a "bench mark", or a starting weight to work from.

The threads configeration is very important. [ size and number of threads per inch and it's shape, meaning not a standard pitch].

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.....

If I were to use a glass pin, I would have to make a big adjustment with the mid-body all thread.

Covered a little more than the question that was ask, but it's all related.

rock on
blud

 

[NOSAJ03]

Thanks for all the info Blud.... I had you in mind when I was asking the question Is there any benefit to using a G10 pin? From what I hear, there is a lot wobble with those pins.

 

[blud]

Benefits from useing g-10 pins is for weight from my view point, only a lighter pin.

The wobble comes from someone who is putting the cue together and holds the shaft letting it wobble while going on and off with the shaft. The pins has nothing to do with the wobble.

I tell all my customers to hold the shaft tight in there hand, and with your arm tucked into your side, and twist the butt of the cu with your other hand, only when they are linned up properly, and then twist the butt until you get it almost all the way on, then use both hands to tighten it up. By not following these very simple and easy directions, you get wobble and worn out wooden threads.
blud