Ladder Leagues

Derek

Derek

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Anyone run them before? Any good suggestions about them?

We have around 10 players and you are allowed to challenge the next two players in front of you. We're are going to play for a set amount of time (couple of months) and then cut it off for a tournament for those that finish in the top.

It seems to me that the main downfall of a ladder league would be time commitment. Obviously, if you don't play much, then you don't move up the ladder fast.

There is a league prize pool and then the winners of a ladder match get paid directly from the loser. Challenger has a choice of a 9-ball, 8-ball, or straight pool match.
 
Derek said:
Anyone run them before? Any good suggestions about them?

We have around 10 players and you are allowed to challenge the next two players in front of you. We're are going to play for a set amount of time (couple of months) and then cut it off for a tournament for those that finish in the top.

It seems to me that the main downfall of a ladder league would be time commitment. Obviously, if you don't play much, then you don't move up the ladder fast.

There is a league prize pool and then the winners of a ladder match get paid directly from the loser. Challenger has a choice of a 9-ball, 8-ball, or straight pool match.
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hmmmmm...I'm in a 10 player league as well, there also seems to be a Derek amoung the players.... :D

Regards,

Doug
 
Derek said:
Anyone run them before? Any good suggestions about them?

We have around 10 players and you are allowed to challenge the next two players in front of you. We're are going to play for a set amount of time (couple of months) and then cut it off for a tournament for those that finish in the top.

It seems to me that the main downfall of a ladder league would be time commitment. Obviously, if you don't play much, then you don't move up the ladder fast.

There is a league prize pool and then the winners of a ladder match get paid directly from the loser. Challenger has a choice of a 9-ball, 8-ball, or straight pool match.
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Do you require that players accept challenges? if so, how often?
 
I want to hear more about how this works. Do the lower players challenge and pay a fee? Is there set nights that people play? Does everyone show up at the same place on the same night.

I'm just trying to figure out how you get higher rated players to play. Incentives and such.

Interesting idea. Would it work with 20 or 30+ players?
 
stuckart said:
I want to hear more about how this works. Do the lower players challenge and pay a fee? Is there set nights that people play? Does everyone show up at the same place on the same night.

I'm just trying to figure out how you get higher rated players to play. Incentives and such.

Interesting idea. Would it work with 20 or 30+ players?
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We have one room, and one table. Lower people on the ladder can challenge 1 or 2 spots above them. If a player does not or can not accept the challenge they will lose their spot by default. Once a challenge is made, the match must take place within 5 days. The winner recieves $10 from the loser. At the end of several months, the top 4 people on the ladder will have a playoff for 1,2,3. We all put up $20 to enter, and a couple of bucks per match that goes toward the final pot. The matches are handicapped based on the players abilities.

This format works best with 10ish players I feel. Althought I suppose that you could involve more players if you paid out more places at the top. This ladder system is similar with what is used by tennis players around the country.

Regards,

Doug
 
Let's say I was ranked number 5 and you were number 3. I challenge you and you accept. I win that match. I get $10 from you and I move up to which spot? Where do you fall?

Samething, except we can't match-up in 5 days time, you decline, where do we fall? Is any money exchanged?

Thanks! I'm really interested to figure out how they work.
 
I wrote the "Pocket Billiards Challenge Pyramid" that was later revised and published by BCA. I suspect it is still available from them. If not I can scan my original published manuscript and post on line.

I think that Bob Jewett has one on his web site.
 
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stuckart said:
Let's say I was ranked number 5 and you were number 3. I challenge you and you accept. I win that match. I get $10 from you and I move up to which spot? Where do you fall?

Samething, except we can't match-up in 5 days time, you decline, where do we fall? Is any money exchanged?

Thanks! I'm really interested to figure out how they work.
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#5 would go to #3 and vice-versa. The player at #4 would stay put since he/she had no involvement in the match.

If the challenge was not accepted, then the players would swap spots in the same fashion. Not sure about money as I missed that part of the meeting.
 
Ladder / Pyramid

I would be interested in a copy... I checked Mr. Jewett's site and did not see the document.
 
JoeW said:
I wrote the "Pocket Billiards Challenge Pyramid" that was later revised and published by BCA. I suspect it is still available from them. If not I can scan my original published manuscript and post on line.

I think that Bob Jewett has one on his web site.
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I agree about a copy if it's not too much trouble. I searched the BCA site and wasn't able to find anything.
 
Tennis players use Ladder tournaments

google tennis ladder tournament rules.. there are also some for Racquetball


Derek said:
Anyone run them before? Any good suggestions about them?

We have around 10 players and you are allowed to challenge the next two players in front of you. We're are going to play for a set amount of time (couple of months) and then cut it off for a tournament for those that finish in the top.

It seems to me that the main downfall of a ladder league would be time commitment. Obviously, if you don't play much, then you don't move up the ladder fast.

There is a league prize pool and then the winners of a ladder match get paid directly from the loser. Challenger has a choice of a 9-ball, 8-ball, or straight pool match.
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Are you familiar?

With a 'Pyramid' tournament or league.

You have a triangle, the bottom row has 6 places, 5 above that, 4, 3,2, and 1. Each player draws for placing at the beginning. You have to play at least 1 match a week. You can challenge any player that touches your square, horizontally (sometimes you want to go sideways so you can challenge a certain player above you then) or vertically. If you win, you change places. The object is to get to the top of the Pyramid in the number 1 spot and stay there.

You provide your name and phone number to go into your square. You have to notify the Pool room that a challenge has been issued and will be played. The day and time are left to the players, as long as it is within the week.

This has a total of 21 players that participate. Entry fee is set by the Pool room. Money added is up to the room. Usually pays 1,2, and 3 spots.
Room decides how many weeks it runs for (13 was chosen in the one I played in). You can not play more than 3 matches in a week.
 
I placed a short version of the Pocket Billiards Ladder on my web site for those who are interested.

Go to the web site in my signature, select Articles. It is the second article under my name. This is the same basic system pulished in 1993 and revised by BCA but no longer published by them. The revision shown does not require anything other than MS Word to print the ladder and a three ring notebook for record keeping.

Player cards and table reservations can also be enlarged and printed in MS Word.

I use the type of three ring notebook that has a clear plastic cover and allows you to place the ladder in the front. A grease pencil is used to write and re-write names as needed.

I did not specify a game or game rules becasue the ladder can be used for any game. It is possible to have one ladder for 8-Ball and another for 9-Ball, 10-Ball, etc

Comments and suggested revisions are welcome.

I just checked all the links and they work fine.

The system described by snapshot reads like the one I wrote and revised by BCA under the name Pocket Billiards Pyramid
 
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Thanks, Joe. Those are some organized rules that could be good to incorporate into what we are doing.

Our ladder is straight up and down which is probably the right thing to do with only 10 players. All players are of similar caliber with probably only one of us at a high-caliber and the other at a low-caliber. To balance that difference, we are handicapping with player rankings.
 
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