Learning a Two Rail Kick Shot

justnum

Billiards Improvement Research Projects Associate
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Here is my first full tutorial on a two rail kick shot.
It can be entertaining for family and friends.



 
Hey Justin, I love your enthusiasm. Can you honestly say this was your best effort? If your gonna call yourself the professor, ya best hold yourself to some high standards. You have it in you.
 
Hey Justin, I love your enthusiasm. Can you honestly say this was your best effort? If your gonna call yourself the professor, ya best hold yourself to some high standards. You have it in you.

Thanks for the support. I wanted to join the online billiard movement.

I specifically learned how to edit to videos together for this piece.
Then I learned different places to put my camera.
I also planned out how I would record it and tell and interesting story.

I didn't want it to be introduction to measurements on a pool table.
When Venom teaches two rail kicks he doesn't make the shot in the video.
And DrDave's setup for his two rail kick he only showed one variation of the shot.


I wanted to be in the video but my camera equipment is limited.

I wanted situations that come up in matches and to teach shots that are overlooked.

I will try to post weekly. Thanks for the support.

If anyone needs technical support for producing videos let me know. I will try to do something new an exciting each video.
 
Can I ask you what software you are using? It looks like a desktop recording software. Your video is difficult to see on a phone for example. I can offer some suggestions as I do 3x/week YouTube videos and have made/sold instructional videos for my athletic sport/business for about 25 years.
 
Can I ask you what software you are using? It looks like a desktop recording software. Your video is difficult to see on a phone for example. I can offer some suggestions as I do 3x/week YouTube videos and have made/sold instructional videos for my athletic sport/business for about 25 years.

I recorded the shots on the table with iphone

then produced the video from a linux desktop software Kazam
its free screen recording software.

you can run ubuntu from a usb and try out the software.
screen capture is like so much easier than video editing.
there is loss of quality, but my production costs is better.

the graphics are in gimp more free software

if you dont know what linux is than just tell me what you are suggesting.

I tried video editing, its just too much work for me.
most computer people just screen capture.
 
Well to be frank, if you want high quality then you need to use a dedicated editing software program such as Premiere, or DaVinci, FCP, or Vegas. The screen capturing software can be used in a different context. I use DaVinci and Handbrake.

Yes I understand that it can be complicated, but there is a learning curve to do it correctly and professionally. Also, make sure you are recording in at least 1080p 60fps (preferably 4k honestly), as YouTube will compress your video upload. Also, 4k allows for slow-mo and zoom without a noticeable loss of quality.
 
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...I specifically learned how to edit to videos together for this piece.
Then I learned different places to put my camera.
I also planned out how I would record it and tell and interesting story...

...When Venom teaches two rail kicks he doesn't make the shot in the video...

...I will try to post weekly. Thanks for the support.

If anyone needs technical support for producing videos let me know. I will try to do something new an exciting each video.
That’s great, Justin. Keep at it. When I asked about your best effort, it wasn’t in regards to the shot in the video.

How could you improve this video? If you were to treat this as a rough draft what would you do to make an even better final presentation?

Maybe instead of shooting for a new video every week, you could work on creating one video a month. This would give you ample opportunity to revise and tighten up your presentation.

The younger generation you want to inspire will be more influenced by one quality product than four rushed ones.

Now get your nose to the grindstone my man.
 
Well to be frank, if you want high quality then you need to use a dedicated editing software program such as Premiere, or DaVinci, FCP, or Vegas. The screen capturing software can be used in a different context. I use DaVinci and Handbrake.

Yes I understand that it can be complicated, but there is a learning curve to do it correctly and professionally. Also, make sure you are recording in at least 1080p 60fps (preferably 4k honestly), as YouTube will compress your video upload. Also, 4k allows for slow-mo and zoom without a noticeable loss of quality.

If I buy a new computer what specs do you recommend for high end video editing?
 
I will give you the specs on my laptop that I use for 4k editing.

CPU: i7 8750u (means it came out in 2018). New ones will be starting with a 10 (for 2020) such as Intel Core i7-10700K
RAM: 32GB DDR4 2666MHz
Main SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 500GB (NVME)
Scratch Drive: (to store video clips) Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 1TB (NVME)

It's critically important to have the RAM memory at least 32GB, even 64GB if financially possible and the motherboard accepts it.
The processor must be i7 or equivalent at least. i9 would be even faster.

Now the last bit is your SSD. NVME is what is preferred for speed. You can use a SATA III SSD for storage and in a pinch as an OS drive, but NVME is faster. Also, install the editing software on your fastest drive (preferably NVME)

I use Windows 10 Pro as my operating system, but many people use Macs and Final Cut Pro as their editing software.

Now let me give you my real world processing times using DaVinci for editing and Handbrake for conversion for YouTube:

A 10 minute 4k clip shot at 3840x2160 4k bitrate using a Panasonic GH5:

DaVinci takes 13 minutes to render that clip as a MOV file with titles and simple crossfades. IF YOU CHOOSE, you could save that file as an MP4 instead and then upload it to YouTube and be done with it. I choose to run it through Handbrake with special settings to convert that to 4k MP4 and vastly reduce the file size. It takes about 13 minutes as well to convert/render. Then I upload to YouTube.

If I were to simply do a final render as 1080p, it would be even faster rendering times. But since I'm working with clips in the 5-15 minute range, this works out very well.

For me, the editing time and rendering takes about an hour as I use the same "template" so to speak in all my videos. I reuse my intro and outro clips (which most folks do) and I follow a pattern. It's a great time saver.

One last thing. Audio is as important if not more so than video. Make sure you use a quality microphone. I use Audacity software (which is free) to remove any audio hiccups like background noise such as a furnace or AC. Takes just a couple of minutes. RODE makes very good affordable mics to use, and also look into a good wireless lavalier lapel mic as an option as well.

I hope this helps.
 
Here is my first full tutorial on a two rail kick shot.
A technical hint...

Think about what hitting the first rail does to the cue ball - it rubs a little side spin onto it, which makes it rebound wider off the second rail (the going and coming paths are almost never parallel unless you correct for this with counter-spin - but they don't need to be in order to predict the paths). Also think about how the amount of side spin it picks up from the first rail changes with a shallow approach angle (like your vid) vs. a steeper approach angle, and how that varies the rebound angle off the second rail.

Good luck!

pj
chgo
 
I will give you the specs on my laptop that I use for 4k editing.

CPU: i7 8750u (means it came out in 2018). New ones will be starting with a 10 (for 2020) such as Intel Core i7-10700K
RAM: 32GB DDR4 2666MHz
Main SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 500GB (NVME)
Scratch Drive: (to store video clips) Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 1TB (NVME)

It's critically important to have the RAM memory at least 32GB, even 64GB if financially possible and the motherboard accepts it.
The processor must be i7 or equivalent at least. i9 would be even faster.

Now the last bit is your SSD. NVME is what is preferred for speed. You can use a SATA III SSD for storage and in a pinch as an OS drive, but NVME is faster. Also, install the editing software on your fastest drive (preferably NVME)

I use Windows 10 Pro as my operating system, but many people use Macs and Final Cut Pro as their editing software.

Now let me give you my real world processing times using DaVinci for editing and Handbrake for conversion for YouTube:

A 10 minute 4k clip shot at 3840x2160 4k bitrate using a Panasonic GH5:

DaVinci takes 13 minutes to render that clip as a MOV file with titles and simple crossfades. IF YOU CHOOSE, you could save that file as an MP4 instead and then upload it to YouTube and be done with it. I choose to run it through Handbrake with special settings to convert that to 4k MP4 and vastly reduce the file size. It takes about 13 minutes as well to convert/render. Then I upload to YouTube.

If I were to simply do a final render as 1080p, it would be even faster rendering times. But since I'm working with clips in the 5-15 minute range, this works out very well.

For me, the editing time and rendering takes about an hour as I use the same "template" so to speak in all my videos. I reuse my intro and outro clips (which most folks do) and I follow a pattern. It's a great time saver.

One last thing. Audio is as important if not more so than video. Make sure you use a quality microphone. I use Audacity software (which is free) to remove any audio hiccups like background noise such as a furnace or AC. Takes just a couple of minutes. RODE makes very good affordable mics to use, and also look into a good wireless lavalier lapel mic as an option as well.

I hope this helps.

Thanks I wasn't sure if I needed a GPU to speed up rendering.
I have been on the market for a new pc for decades and the new i9 chip might win me over.
 
I should have mentioned the graphics card plays a substantial role as well. I have a GTX 1070.

Best of luck.

You have the single most important thing already...enthusiasm. That came across in your video.

You'll do fine. I'm always around if you have any questions.
 
Tough love time.

Kudos for putting yourself out there like that, but I’m sorry, that was horrible.

The video production was terrible and the commentary was disjointed and appeared unscripted and unrehearsed. The “instructional” content was pretty much nonexistent beyond “Hey, if you can’t find a one-rail kick, have you ever considered that it’s possible to kick two rails?” Followed by “Keep trying until you figure it out, and then it will come naturally”.

We all love pool, but some of us, me too, are just meant to play the game we love and leave the teaching to those better equipped to do so. 😊
 
The most common story I hear on this forum is "you have to be the one to introduce the game to new people"

I am introducing billiards to a group offsite. I shared it here because some input could be useful.

Tough love time.

Kudos for putting yourself out there like that, but I’m sorry, that was horrible.

The video production was terrible and the commentary was disjointed and appeared unscripted and unrehearsed. The “instructional” content was pretty much nonexistent beyond “Hey, if you can’t find a one-rail kick, have you ever considered that it’s possible to kick two rails?” Followed by “Keep trying until you figure it out, and then it will come naturally”.

We all love pool, but some of us, me too, are just meant to play the game we love and leave the teaching to those better equipped to do so. 😊
 
And where are those people today!? Jail, broke, padded cells or Mom's basement.
It’s crazy, the last one I saw was standing on a sidewalk downtown in the middle of the summer wearing a shearling coat and a pair off plaid bell bottoms out of the 70’s! Looked like he didn’t know where he was.
 
Thanks for the support. I wanted to join the online billiard movement.

I specifically learned how to edit to videos together for this piece.
Then I learned different places to put my camera.
I also planned out how I would record it and tell and interesting story.

I didn't want it to be introduction to measurements on a pool table.
When Venom teaches two rail kicks he doesn't make the shot in the video.
And DrDave's setup for his two rail kick he only showed one variation of the shot.


I wanted to be in the video but my camera equipment is limited.

I wanted situations that come up in matches and to teach shots that are overlooked.

I will try to post weekly. Thanks for the support.

If anyone needs technical support for producing videos let me know. I will try to do something new an exciting each video.

Here is what I learned about putting out instruction and video, there are a dozen out there for anything you can think of. Unless someone can do one better or with new info, it's better to just link to the source material when things come up. I'm a moderator on a tech forum, where people ask a question about what a hard drive is for the 40th time, I don't re-type the last half century of research, I just link to a good source.
 
Here is what I learned about putting out instruction and video, there are a dozen out there for anything you can think of. Unless someone can do one better or with new info, it's better to just link to the source material when things come up. I'm a moderator on a tech forum, where people ask a question about what a hard drive is for the 40th time, I don't re-type the last half century of research, I just link to a good source.
i run a social club my members want me visible
 
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