Linds cue die out?

Adonisy

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Hello everyone , I ordered linds cue two years ago , and
I remited $300 to his agent's account...

but two years~~~~ I do not receive any linds agent message

and many friends told me , linds do not make cue , and his agent
quit linds

does anyone can see linds? I appraise 10~20 cues blank.....

or linds cheat us?:mad:
 
Wha??!! Which agent? Have you contacted Linds himself? You can PM him here or e-mail him through his website or call him or contact him in www.easypooltutor.com or ww.poolfanatics.com. His name/username is the same in the said forums and his contact number can also be found in his website www.lindscues.com.ph. Have you done any of these? If not then this post is so premature.
 
Adonisy said:
Hello everyone , I ordered linds cue two years ago , and
I remited $300 to his agent's account...

but two years~~~~ I do not receive any linds agent message

and many friends told me , linds do not make cue , and his agent
quit linds

does anyone can see linds? I appraise 10~20 cues blank.....

or linds cheat us?:mad:


I never understand why anyone would use a middleman when you can easily talk with the maker himself on new cue orders. Sure if it's a cue that is already made then using a middleman is an option, but for new cue construction you'd be a fool in most cases, the more people involved the more problems if you ask me. Go right to the top when possible.

Jim
 
adonisy,
sorry for the inconvinience...
as i've told you in my last (email onto you)
i'll be checking on your said cue description...BE/ebony/4pt.
and it seems that there was a miscommunication somewhere...
as we CANT find such match...on our current/past orders to taiwan.
acoording to my agent you may have ordered a 4pt multi-veneered maple/cocobolo in ebony/lizard wrap...but needs to confirm first onto you?
i to em awaiting for reply...:o
 
JimBo said:
I never understand why anyone would use a middleman when you can easily talk with the maker himself on new cue orders.

Jim

language barrier... as i cant speak/read in chineese.:confused:




Adonisy said:
does anyone can see linds? I appraise 10~20 cues blank.....

or linds cheat us?:mad:


this i can read...but cant comprehend???

"does anyone can see linds?"
im more active in the local pool scene/and to ept site.
and just recently ressurected my PC...

" I appraise 10~20 cues blank..."
kindly expound/explain further...got no clue to this :confused:

"or linds cheat us?:mad"
i do hope not... :eek:

peace bro...
were-in the same industry.
 
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linds said:
maple/cocobolo in ebony/lizard wrap...but needs to confirm first onto you?
i to em awaiting for reply...:o

needs to confirm ??

I don't know , I confirmed my specification two years ago , and transfer
money to your agent's account , and he said ok

until now , many friends told me they wait linds cue for one year or more...
and when they mailed your agent , no response ...

by the way , I am www.excues.com linds cue Board Manager , I suggest
my friends linds cue is one of the best cue .... but they ordered...and no
response...

follow is excues linds board

http://www.excues.com/eXcues/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=39
 
Adonisy, this is really starting to make you look bad. You speak english and yet have to go through an agent who is also there in Taiwan instead of going directly to Linds. You also said that you are a Linds Club Manager which really just makes this whole thing inappropriate in this public forum. From these facts that you stated, this sounds like an internal problem that you're bringing out to the public because of a hidden agenda.

Members here, who frequent the cue sections, know that you are aspiring to be a cuemaker. With the mention of "10-20 blanks" I think that you're pressureing Linds, or your referred to disappearing Taiwan dealer, to just send you aged and processed blanks. Hmmmm....good ploy. Ruin the reason for your club while endearing yourself to the members to get their business. Nice business practice and all too familiar in this industry.

To give it to you directly, this forum which is dominated by members who are well aware of how the US Production cue industry got to where it's at now isn't a likely to be a receptive ear to you specially with all the statements that you have made above.

Good Luck and I hope that you resolve your internal problem with your compatriot who's also there in Taiwan.
 
bandido said:
Adonisy, this is really starting to make you look bad. You speak english and yet have to go through an agent who is also there in Taiwan instead of going directly to Linds. You also said that you are a Linds Club Manager which really just makes this whole thing inappropriate in this public forum. From these facts that you stated, this sounds like an internal problem that you're bringing out to the public because of a hidden agenda.

Members here, who frequent the cue sections, know that you are aspiring to be a cuemaker. With the mention of "10-20 blanks" I think that you're pressureing Linds, or your referred to disappearing Taiwan dealer, to just send you aged and processed blanks. Hmmmm....good ploy. Ruin the reason for your club while endearing yourself to the members to get their business. Nice business practice and all too familiar in this industry.

To give it to you directly, this forum which is dominated by members who are well aware of how the US Production cue industry got to where it's at now isn't a likely to be a receptive ear to you specially with all the statements that you have made above.

Good Luck and I hope that you resolve your internal problem with your compatriot who's also there in Taiwan.

It just a fact description and need to be confirmed. The agent system exist in custom cue area public. If it impute the rise in cue order problem to agent. The cuemaker will take into consideration of the agent problem.:o
 
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Balance said:
It just a fact description and need to be confirmed. The agent system exist in many custom public. If it impute the rise in cue order problem to agent. The cuemaker will take into consideration of the agent problem.:o
Fact description and confirmation could've been handled internally until all avenues to resolve a dispute has been exhausted. Apparently it wasn't exhausted as Adonisy was asking for a way to contact Linds. If you look at Linds signature below his post, you will notice that all possible contact numbers are there.

Secondly, Adonisy himself referred to an agent who he made the agreement with. To my knowledge, the referred to agent is a Taiwan National who is currently going through his medical residency there in Taiwan. How is it that Adonisy can't personally get in contact with somebody in the same geographic location? Wouldn't that be the smartest thing to do to get satisfaction on a agreement that he made with this person?

Why was there a mention of 10-20 cue blanks? Did Linds having sold more than 100 custom cues there sound real juicy?
 
linds said:
language barrier... as i cant speak/read in chineese.:confused:
this i can read...but cant comprehend???

"does anyone can see linds?"
im more active in the local pool scene/and to ept site.
and just recently ressurected my PC...

" I appraise 10~20 cues blank..."
kindly expound/explain further...got no clue to this :confused:

"or linds cheat us?:mad"
i do hope not... :eek:

peace bro...
were-in the same industry.

Hi Linds,

I respect your business and attitude toward this, however it seems to be only one way to go, since you do have a dealer in taiwan to take all the order for you, I believe you definitely have the complete detail personal info of this taiwanese dealer , just turn him out ; his name and address....etc, and the prob will be solved, we'll take it from there..... This is the guy who is actually messing around and ruin your brand image at local, I believe this is yet the best way to maintain you reputation and future business as well.

Just speak for my freind Amin Chang...who is keep sending money out and get nothing in return,,,,

Matt
 
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http://www.lindscues.com.ph/dealersaffiliates/DealersAffiliates.html

Republic of China
Website: www.lindscues.com
Email: info@lindscues.com

...

above is Taiwan agent , and his website is over...
http://www.lindscues.com

can not connect

when I mail to info@lindscues.com ask my cue progress , no response,wait...
wait...wait... no response.....

my friend said , he also mail to info@lilndscues.com , still no response , too

so, I mailed to linds through email , but linds reply me two mails
and no response....

maybe I will lose my $300 , but I still tell everyone , I do not
receive any reponse

maybe there are many Taiwan person posts , they will tell you what happen
 
MATTY said:
Hi Linds,

I respect your business and attitude toward this, however it seems to be only one way to go, since you do have a dealer in taiwan to take all the order for you, I believe you definitely have the complete detail personal info of this taiwanese dealer , just turn him out ; his name and address....etc, and the prob will be solved, we'll take it from there..... This is the guy who is actually messing around and ruin your brand image at local, I believe this is yet the best way to maintain you reputation and future business as well.

Just speak for my freind Amin Chang...who is keep sending money and get nothing in return,,,,

Matt
Shouldn't this message be better off sent in private. This conveys a message to readers that the customer made a deal, supposedly did part of his end of the bargain to a party that he knows not where to find and how to contact.(???) My,my you guys are doing this all wrong and making you all look bad.

Linds' contact info are at the bottom of his posts, use them. The way you guys are handling this just makes that hidden agenda most likely and Kathy Kao custom cues is the likely beneficiary of this demolition job.
 
bandido said:
Shouldn't this message be better off sent in private. This conveys a message to readers that the customer made a deal, supposedly did part of his end of the bargain to a party that he knows not where to find and how to contact.(???) My,my you guys are doing this all wrong and making you all look bad.

Linds' contact info are at the bottom of his posts, use them. The way you guys are handling this just makes that hidden agenda most likely and Kathy Kao custom cues is the likely beneficiary of this demolition job.

I hide my signature. .

I post this , not for demolition job or for my custom cues , just not only
me meet this situation , many people meet ~~~

I mailed linds before , but what happen? no~~ no response

I think Linds do not know his Taiwan agent already got away , but this
Taiwan agent still receive money from Taiwan , and told them linds will
make their cue ...

many people wait and wait ... month and month , and still not receive their
cue , this is true situation
 
bandido said:
Shouldn't this message be better off sent in private. This conveys a message to readers that the customer made a deal, supposedly did part of his end of the bargain to a party that he knows not where to find and how to contact.(???) My,my you guys are doing this all wrong and making you all look bad.

Linds' contact info are at the bottom of his posts, use them. The way you guys are handling this just makes that hidden agenda most likely and Kathy Kao custom cues is the likely beneficiary of this demolition job.

Couldn't be better, thanks , then send the message in private...PM will be great!!

just imagin if the cuemaker give wide latitude to and fully authorized his dealer
to take the order for him, after that the dealer just take all the money away and dissapeared? what kind of sxxt is that? if thats the way to make money then I'll follow, there's nothing easy like that on earth.....

I myself is a cuedealer but I'll take care all of my clients and will never let them down, I'll fully back up every cue that I send out, this is the way I do business.

Great , if all the issue should be taken care of by the cuemaker, I'll copy that, get the money and gone.....I'll have my cuemaker to wipe my ass,
is that the way we do bussiness? just let everyone focus on his work, if one play the role as a cuemaker , build the fine cues, if one plays the role as a dealer, there's duty he or she has to shoulder!!
 
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Hi Matty,

There is a person selling some cues in Taiwanese which are basically inferior copies of the work of other US cue makers such as Ernie, Billy...etc. These cues are called Miranda or something like that. I think they are made in the Philipines.

Also, in your opinion, is Linds cues a competitor of Miranda cues in Taiwan?

Have you or Mr. Chang tried to PM or email or call Linds? I think it would be more effective to resolve this alleged problem that way. Just my 2 cents.

Thank you very much.

Richard
 
nipponbilliards said:
Hi Matty,

There is a person selling some cues in Taiwanese which are basically inferior copies of the work of other US cue makers such as Ernie, Billy...etc. These cues are called Miranda or something like that. I think they are made in the Philipines.

Also, in your opinion, is Linds cues a competitor of Miranda cues in Taiwan?

Have you or Mr. Chang tried to PM or email or call Linds? I think it would be more effective to resolve this alleged problem that way. Just my 2 cents.

Thank you very much.

Richard

Will do, with such poor service that Linds dealer ( Not Linds himself, let s seperate it) provides at local I'll say right now Linds is no match to Miranda or Vince which are also philipino brands in taiwan, however the healthy competiton will benefit any potential customers anyway.

also learned that you might have some issues remained unsolved, "some items" you sent back to TW like couple months ago, hope everythings will work out and good luck for the breakers business.

Best,

Matt
 
MATTY said:
Couldn't be better, thanks , then send the message in private...PM will be great!!

just imagin if the cuemaker give wide latitude to and fully authorized his dealer
to take the order for him, after that the dealer just take all the money away and dissapeared? what kind of sxxt is that? if thats the way to make money then I'll follow, there's nothing easy like that on earth.....

I myself is a cuedealer but I'll take care all of my clients and will never let them down, I'll fully back up every cue that I send out, this is the way I do business.

Great , if all the issue should be taken care of by the cuemaker, I'll copy that, get the money and gone.....I'll have my cuemaker to wipe my ass,
is that the way we do bussiness? just let everyone focus on his work, if one play the role as a cuemaker , build the fine cues, if one plays the role as a dealer, there's duty he or she has to shoulder!!
Matty, I'm glad that you mentioned that you're a cue dealer, therefore, I know that you'll understand what I'm saying.

You said you're a cue dealer who takes care of your customers. To be able to take care of customers shouldn't you be able to contact them and them contact you? How is it then that Adonisy or whoever else got in a deal with a supposed dealer that they don't have a means to contact????
Who is the said dealer and how did the customers get in touch with said dealer in the first place?

I can see that you're going straight to the supposedly represented cuemaker but put yourselves in Linds' shoes. You made a deal an agreement with somebody other than Linds and paid down payment to this person and not directly to Linds. If this is a legitimate dealer then he is who directly made an agreement with Linds. How then will Linds be ascertained that you are the supposed recipient of the cues?

To my knowledge, the only authorized Linds Cue dealer there is doing his residency in Medicine THERE in Taiwan. Poor Linds doesn't even know what really went on in your discussion with your referred to dealer. We may even be talking about a completely different dealer person. What is the name of the dealer you are referring to? Why don't you give Linds a call and give him as much info so he can verify with his legitimate dealer and if its all good then he can set up a meeting between you guys who are all there in Taiwan. Straighten things out with who you got into an agreement with and this guy can straighten out the details with Linds.
 
Edwin,

I usually do not like to get myself involved in other people's business. Nevertheless, since it seems like there may have been a language barrier, please forgive me for getting myself involved. I just want to state the story I have heard. I am hoping perhaps my following explaination could serve to help the related parties.

It seems like there has been a person using an email address info@lindscues.com acting as an agent of Linds cues taking orders from Taiwanese buyers.

There were means of communications available in the beginning when the orders were solicited and taken. Usually, the buyers would pay via bank transfer by depositing payment into a Taiwanese bank account.

Some of the buyers have been waiting for their cues for a couple years after they made their downpayment.

Recently, this agent informed some buyers that Linds had just moved and therefore had been having trouble responding to his emails. He told them Linds needed some time to re organize his new shop before he could keep on filling up his back orders. Some buyers were asked to pay more with the promise that their cues would be ready within weeks.

Shorty after that, the email account used by this agent was no longer working, he simply disappeared.

The details of all the orders have been confirmed before downpayment were received from the buyers.

As far as I understand, these Taiwanese buyers are very frustrated because they do not know when they will receive their cues and some feel that they have been scammed. Some of them are considering legal actions.

They are also confused at why Linds would ask them to re confirm their orders again since the orders were placed and already confirmed a long time ago with this dealer in Taiwan.

Although the initial poster could write some English, it is obvious that his English is not fluent enough to explain the situation. He, along with most Taiwanese buyers, would understandably feel more comfortable ordering a cue with all these custom options from someone who can speak their language.

This dealer lives in another part of the country so some orders were taken over the Internet or the phone.

In my opinion, I believe they are trying to locate this Taiwanese dealer. I am under the impression that they are posting this problem here hoping Linds can offer them information on how to locate this dealer who has disappeared with their money. I am sure they would really appreciate it if Linds could help them with either delivering their cues or refunding their money.

Like I said, I am not related to Linds or any of the buyers involved in this unfortunate incident. I just want to state what I was told in regard to this situation so hopefully it can be resolved.

I hope this helps.

Once again, please forgive me for getting myself involved in your business.

Thank you.

Richard
 
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Thank you very much for helping, Richard. I do symphatize with our friends from Taiwan. Honestly, I was annoyed by how the first post was done. He stated putting in an order to a Dealer, paying to a DEALER then suddenly it was Linds who's cheating them? And of course, taking into consideration that Adonisy is a frequent poster in our cue forums as a cuemaker hopeful and mention 10-20 cue BLANKS appraisal (hinting in exchange to appease), the whole thing just didn't sit well.

I do have knowledge that 4 cues have been ready for shipment to Taiwan for quite some time now. But withot the authorized dealers approval to ship and mailing details for the supposed recipients, Linds really cannot take action. I also was told that Linds hasn't even recieved payment for these. What to do,,what to do? Well, it's back to my initial response, post#2. Call Linds and give him as much detail of the transaction then Linds can call the authorized dealer to verify the information given. If info is legit, payments are completed and shipping addresses are verified then everything will be fine and dandy. Another reason why Linds can't act on these said 4 cues is because the addresses that will be sent to him are written in Chinese characters and he just tapes these on to the shipping box and duplicated onto the shipping documents. Linds can't even decipher these thus rely on accurate info from his dealer.

I have discussed this with Linds and the plan is to keep trying to get a hold of the dealer by phone and e-mail. Linds keep getting a chinese spoken message but just leaves a message after the tone. He decided on a deadline for this dealer to answer then see if the consumers involved cantry their luck with the numbers given.

One other thing that confuses the situation is description of the cue/s for Linds to verify ownership. But of course, if payment hasn't been completed what is Linds expected to do? What will you do if you were Linds?

Again, thank you Richard.
 
nipponbilliards said:
Edwin,

I usually do not like to get myself involved in other people's business. Nevertheless, since it seems like there may have been a language barrier, please forgive me for getting myself involved. I just want to state the story I have heard. I am hoping perhaps my following explaination could serve to help the related parties.

It seems like there has been a person using an email address info@lindscues.com acting as an agent of Linds cues taking orders from Taiwanese buyers.

There were means of communications available in the beginning when the orders were solicited and taken. Usually, the buyers would pay via bank transfer by depositing payment into a Taiwanese bank account.

Some of the buyers have been waiting for their cues for a couple years after they made their downpayment.

Recently, this agent informed some buyers that Linds had just moved and therefore had been having trouble responding to his emails. He told them Linds needed some time to re organize his new shop before he could keep on filling up his back orders. Some buyers were asked to pay more with the promise that their cues would be ready within weeks.

Shorty after that, the email account used by this agent was no longer working, he simply disappeared.

The details of all the orders have been confirmed before downpayment were received from the buyers.

As far as I understand, these Taiwanese buyers are very frustrated because they do not know when they will receive their cues and some feel that they have been scammed. Some of them are considering legal actions.

They are also confused at why Linds would ask them to re confirm their orders again since the orders were placed and already confirmed a long time ago with this dealer in Taiwan.

Although the initial poster could write some English, it is obvious that his English is not fluent enough to explain the situation. He, along with most Taiwanese buyers, would understandably feel more comfortable ordering a cue with all these custom options from someone who can speak their language.

This dealer lives in another part of the country so some orders were taken over the Internet or the phone.

In my opinion, I believe they are trying to locate this Taiwanese dealer. I am under the impression that they are posting this problem here hoping Linds can offer them information on how to locate this dealer who has disappeared with their money. I am sure they would really appreciate it if Linds could help them with either delivering their cues or refunding their money.

Like I said, I am not related to Linds or any of the buyers involved in this unfortunate incident. I just want to state what I was told in regard to this situation so hopefully it can be resolved.

I hope this helps.

Once again, please forgive me for getting myself involved in your business.

Thank you.

Richard

The statement I must to mention that I'm not one of the injured party. Matty just help them to get more way to resolve the problem and with friendship.

I agree all conditions described by Richard and it is the same meaning when my friends discussed at http://www.excues.com/eXcues/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=14120
including to consider legal actions and hope linds to offer the information of "this agents".

For my friends

Thanks a lot to Richard;)
 
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