Making the CB jump on the break : Good Or Bad

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Wizardry

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Have heard many views on this and was just hoping that you guys would like to share your comments on this..

Some say that the CB loses alot of energy by going upwards instead of through the rack....

others say It does provide wonderful control of the CB by parking it in the middle of the park. (that is unless its kicked around of course....) :D

Personally, i really love it but cant seem to do it consistantly though. :( any one has Tips on make the CB jump upon contact with the rack?

Looks real pro as well... :p
 
OK, basically everyone will tell you that making the CB come off the table during the break is BAD. Because you have no clue on where the CB is going when its airborne. I only know of a handful of guys who can consistently break and have the CB go airborne and have it land back on the table consistently. And one of them is Johnny Archer lol.


Now as for control, Yes if you can break like JA, and drop the ball on the table in the middle consistently, then its a good thing and more power to you.

As for if the CB loses energy by going upwards instead of through the rack, i have no clue. I normally dont break to have the CB drive through the rack.

If your trying to create a POWER break with control, try starting with a soft break and slowly using more power while controling the CB.
 
Wizardry said:
Some say that the CB loses alot of energy by going upwards instead of through the rack....

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once the cue ball has hit the rack, it doesn't matter where it goes as far as the energy.......it has already transferred the energy into the rack, and is no longer touching the head ball.............whoever told you that didn't think it throught very well.........LOL

when was the last time you saw a pro player trying to drive the cue THROUGH the rack?? there is no control doing it that way.

if you hit the rack square and the cue jumps up and squats in the center of the table, then its great, if you don't have any control after its in the air.....its bad.

VAP
 
Seems to me that all you have to do is look at the results. Does the rock stay in the center of the table and do you make a ball? Do you get a nice spread? If yes then what else do you want?

Rob Saez can really make that CB jump up. I have seen it go six to eight feet.

But not sure what happened to the balls. If any dropped.

i suspect that the CB goes airborn on the break and lands just in front of the one ball.

Jake
 
vapoolplayer said:
once the cue ball has hit the rack, it doesn't matter where it goes as far as the energy.......it has already transferred the energy into the rack, and is no longer touching the head ball.............whoever told you that didn't think it throught very well.........LOL

when was the last time you saw a pro player trying to drive the cue THROUGH the rack?? there is no control doing it that way.

if you hit the rack square and the cue jumps up and squats in the center of the table, then its great, if you don't have any control after its in the air.....its bad.

VAP
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I agree with you that you don't want to drive the cue ball through the rack. However, I believe he may have just used bad terminology here. I think what he meant to say was hitting the apex ball square and full so there's a recoil but no airtime. If this is the case then there is most definitely more energy transfered into the rack. I'd do a vector analysis for you but I'm not that good at physics...lol.

That being said, the decrease in energy transfered where the cue ball only pops up a little and lands in the middle of the table is probably negligible. Again, a vector analysis would tell the tale, but who wants to do that...lol!
 
Rackin_Zack said:
I agree with you that you don't want to drive the cue ball through the rack. However, I believe he may have just used bad terminology here. I think what he meant to say was hitting the apex ball square and full so there's a recoil but no airtime. If this is the case then there is most definitely more energy transfered into the rack. I'd do a vector analysis for you but I'm not that good at physics...lol.

That being said, the decrease in energy transfered where the cue ball only pops up a little and lands in the middle of the table is probably negligible. Again, a vector analysis would tell the tale, but who wants to do that...lol!
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just break the fucking balls man..........LOL


VAP(stands corrected on the energy thing)
 
When I was single, and there was a group of ladies I'd like to meet, I'd jack up just enough to make the cueball fly into the rack and bounce off the table and over to where the women were sitting. Then I'd "have" to go over to them and reach down to pick up the cueball. When I reached down, several things drew attention, for me and them. :) If you haven't tried it, it is a great conversation starter. Tell 'em Jeff sent you.

Oh, you were talking about how it affects the balls? Results tell all you need to know, imho.

Jeff Livingston
 
vapoolplayer said:
just break the fucking balls man..........LOL


VAP(stands corrected on the energy thing)
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I do...lol.

I was writing a long post about how I don't obsess over the science of the game and that I play more by feel but then I reallized that it's a waste of my time to write and your time to read. :D
 
Rackin_Zack said:
I was writing a long post about how I don't obsess over the science of the game and that I play more by feel
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YOU WHAAAAT??!! What a moron!! I would have thought you knew better by now. EVERYONE knows you have to get into the science part if you're ever going to improve and reach the top rung of the ladder. Good Gawd, man....! (goin' to read everything I can find on physics and pool)
 
drivermaker said:
YOU WHAAAAT??!! What a moron!! I would have thought you knew better by now. EVERYONE knows you have to get into the science part if you're ever going to improve and reach the top rung of the ladder. Good Gawd, man....! (goin' to read everything I can find on physics and pool)
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Make sure you tune your arm to be able to hit the cue ball with specific and precise measurements. For example hitting the ball at 8 mph with exactly 46 rpm rotating at 110 degrees! :D :D
 
Wizardry said:
Have heard many views on this and was just hoping that you guys would like to share your comments on this..

:p
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When you strike the Cue Ball, your stroke is not level (there are very few shots where the cue is stroked absolutely level), so the cue ball is driven into the table, causing it to hop toward the rack. Look at the white marks near the headstring & the next batch somewhere near the side pockets.

The Cue Ball bounces up into the air, because it is not on the table when it contacts the lead ball in the rack.

The Cue Ball will generally launch itself, if it bounces in front of the lead ball & it's trajectory is on the upward part of the curve. The carom causes the Cue Ball to be airborne. If The Cue ball bounces in front of the lead ball & contacts the lead ball on the down side of the curve, the carom off the lead ball is toward the surface of the table & again causes the Cue Ball to bounce after impact.

In the last Mosconi Open, Earl Strickland & some of team members researched their break shots, because this problem also causes loss of power into the rack & came to the realization they had to move the Cue Ball's placement back, approximately one balls width, to have the Cue Ball on the table at impact. You can do this research too.
 
I have experimented with a couple jump breaks. Basicly jacking up on my jump break cue and trying to land the cueball on the front of the rack. I always got a good spread and solid contact, but like another poster said, controlling the cueball WELL is next to impossible. I have such a terrible break that i have thought of experimenting a little more with a jump break. Charlies new Book promises to make me a better breaker. BTW Charlie i think the books came today, but they arent done sorting at the post office so i can't be sure.
 
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