Moisture and Climate

zeeder said:
I would imagine that the end grain is the most susceptable of absorbing moisture and it just happens to be the end grain that JPs would cover up thus making it harder for the moisture to get in.
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Thanks Zack,

That was what i was prescribing JP's for.
Saved me some typing time :p
 
BiG_JoN said:
Thanks Zack,

That was what i was prescribing JP's for.
Saved me some typing time :p
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Not really...your thank you note was just as long. :p
(Have you figured out how to make JP's yet, or will that take ten years like your first cue)? ;)
 
raemondo said:
Hi coastydad,

Pray tell, how will cue wax work, and where can I get it? If I also plan to use Joint protectors, do I apply the wax and then put on the jps?
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The cue wax will help seal the end grain on your shafts and the joint if you have a flat faced joint with exposed wood. You can get it at any good billiard supply shop, it used to be called "Kar Seal" but now is just called "Cue Wax". Comes in a plastic jar that looks like a shoe polish can. Just get some on your finger and massage into the end grain of the wood, let it dry for about 10 minutes and wipe off the excess with a soft cotton cloth. The joint protectors also help seal out moisture if they fit flush and flat against the end grain of the shafts. For piloted joints they still help if they fit flush against the joint collar.
 
zeeder said:
I would imagine that the end grain is the most susceptable of absorbing moisture and it just happens to be the end grain that JPs would cover up thus making it harder for the moisture to get in.
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Make sense, thanks!
 
drivermaker said:
That's the way I do it, except all of my cases balance upright on their own without any lean or angle.
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Do you know if the Instrokes stand on their own?
 
coastydad said:
The cue wax will help seal the end grain on your shafts and the joint if you have a flat faced joint with exposed wood. You can get it at any good billiard supply shop, it used to be called "Kar Seal" but now is just called "Cue Wax". Comes in a plastic jar that looks like a shoe polish can. Just get some on your finger and massage into the end grain of the wood, let it dry for about 10 minutes and wipe off the excess with a soft cotton cloth. The joint protectors also help seal out moisture if they fit flush and flat against the end grain of the shafts. For piloted joints they still help if they fit flush against the joint collar.
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Sounds good, but how often should I be doing this? How do I tell if the wax is wearing off...it should be colorless right?

I use the standard protectors of the same brand of the cues I'm using, so hopefully that should be aight!
 
raemondo said:
gotcha...dang I'm thinking 2x4 though.
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You don't want to stand a cue case up by itself anyway. Think about this for a second. Presumably you are going to have it open and the cues either assembled and in the case or leaning against the case. So, do you want all of your investment to be standing upright with no other support balanced precariously on the smallest part of it? This is a recipe for disaster, I have seen dozens of times.

The best quote I saw about this was something like this, ' you go ahead and leave your case and cues free standing in the middle of the room, I'll lean mine against the wall of the $150,000 building.

Bob Johnson once gave me a good idea. He uses dog collars and small bunjee cords to attach his cases to chairs. I saw it in action, works perfectly and is secure.

The only time I want my cases standing up by themselves is when they are on display for sale, it's prettier that way.

As to the question of climate and warpage. I still stand behind my statement that in all the years of using Instrokes I constantly left them in the car in all climates and seasons and experienced no warpage. At least NO warpage that I would not have attributed to the cue construction as opposed to the enviroment. None of my Scruggs, Schons, Oliviers or other high end cues ever warped on me while being carried in Instrokes, and most of the production cues I use have survived just fine. And they almost always lay flat in the car.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
You don't want to stand a cue case up by itself anyway. Think about this for a second. Presumably you are going to have it open and the cues either assembled and in the case or leaning against the case. So, do you want all of your investment to be standing upright with no other support balanced precariously on the smallest part of it? This is a recipe for disaster, I have seen dozens of times.

The best quote I saw about this was something like this, ' you go ahead and leave your case and cues free standing in the middle of the room, I'll lean mine against the wall of the $150,000 building.

Bob Johnson once gave me a good idea. He uses dog collars and small bunjee cords to attach his cases to chairs. I saw it in action, works perfectly and is secure.

The only time I want my cases standing up by themselves is when they are on display for sale, it's prettier that way.

As to the question of climate and warpage. I still stand behind my statement that in all the years of using Instrokes I constantly left them in the car in all climates and seasons and experienced no warpage. At least NO warpage that I would not have attributed to the cue construction as opposed to the enviroment. None of my Scruggs, Schons, Oliviers or other high end cues ever warped on me while being carried in Instrokes, and most of the production cues I use have survived just fine. And they almost always lay flat in the car.

John
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John,

We were actually talking about leaving the cues inside, disassembled, if the case would stand on its own.

Yea when I'm playing I put my cues on a cue holder, or leave them on the adjacent table.
 
raemondo said:
John,

We were actually talking about leaving the cues inside, disassembled, if the case would stand on its own.

Yea when I'm playing I put my cues on a cue holder, or leave them on the adjacent table.
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Okay, but why is that even neccessary? I thought about this request a lot when I was building cases and while it comes up a lot I just never saw the practical need for it. Very rarely are you in a position when there isn't something available to lean the case against out of the way.

In most billiard rooms open space is people space. People need to move in that space, or want to be in that space. So cues and cue cases are in danger of being knocked over when in people space. In the course of trying to design for free-standing cases I spent a fair amount of time just observing people's habits and rarely did they exhibit the tendency to want to put their cases in a freestanding position nor did I see a need. Conversely, I saw a real need to have the cases and cues secured as they were constantly in danger of being jostled almost no matter where they were put.

In fact, I don't think that I have ever seen a billiard room, including those that host a tremendous amount of leagues and tournaments, ever adequately plan the space to accomodate people's cue cases comfortably.

Anyway, just my thoughts. Got to run.

John
 
raemondo said:
Do you know if the Instrokes stand on their own?
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I have an Instroke 3X7 Buffalo and it does stand on it's own. BUT, it stands on hardwood floor at night or when not in use so it's perfectly level. A wall is behind it if it got knocked backwards and carpeting is in front. It's never fallen.

John is talking about standing it up alone in a pool room, and no...I lean it against a wall. But what difference does it make because my cues are out and I'm playing with them. Although there are extra shafts in there, it won't hurt to have them slightly leaning for a period of time while in the room. I thought you were talking more about overnight...am I right or wrong.
 
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drivermaker said:
I have an Instroke 3X7 Buffalo and it does stand on it's own. BUT, it stands on hardwood floor at night or when not in use so it's perfectly level. A wall is behind it if it got knocked backwards and carpeting is in front. It's never fallen.

John is talking about standing it up alone in a pool room, and no...I lean it against a wall. But what difference does it make because my cues are out and I'm playing with them. Although there are extra shafts in there, it won't hurt to have them slightly leaning for a period of time while in the room. I thought you were talking more about overnight...am I right or wrong.
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You are right, I meant keeping them overnight. I guess it's fine if the cases don't stay upright -- I could just lean them against a wall so it should be fine. Thanks!
 
onepocketchump said:
Okay, but why is that even neccessary? I thought about this request a lot when I was building cases and while it comes up a lot I just never saw the practical need for it. Very rarely are you in a position when there isn't something available to lean the case against out of the way.

In most billiard rooms open space is people space. People need to move in that space, or want to be in that space. So cues and cue cases are in danger of being knocked over when in people space. In the course of trying to design for free-standing cases I spent a fair amount of time just observing people's habits and rarely did they exhibit the tendency to want to put their cases in a freestanding position nor did I see a need. Conversely, I saw a real need to have the cases and cues secured as they were constantly in danger of being jostled almost no matter where they were put.

In fact, I don't think that I have ever seen a billiard room, including those that host a tremendous amount of leagues and tournaments, ever adequately plan the space to accomodate people's cue cases comfortably.

Anyway, just my thoughts. Got to run.

John
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I guess there's no real practical need for it...it's just that if I left them overnight at home, they'd stay a wee bit more level than if I were to prop them against a wall I guess.

I suppose that most pool hall owners think that cases can be placed underneath the table....but I have never been comfortable to do so. I'm always paranoid that someone would take it without me noticing!
 
If i'm not carrying my case (Instroke 3x5 Black/Blue Artisan,) it is usually in my trunk (on the way to the room and back), leaning against the wall in the pool room, on a table in the pool room or sitting on a shelf (kind of a shelf) here at work where it goes from dry to humid, hot to cold everyday, all year round. I have no problems :D

Thanks,

Jon~*~trying to fill his quota of semi-useful posts for the year...
 
raemondo said:
I suppose that most pool hall owners think that cases can be placed underneath the table....but I have never been comfortable to do so. I'm always paranoid that someone would take it without me noticing!
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Awww c'mon...nobody is going to steal anything from underneath the table. How could anyone get away with stealing a cue case, envelope, or slippers from underneath a table and get away with it in broad daylight with a bunch of guys around? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
drivermaker said:
Quota can be filled by posting on all of Bittersweet Fallen Angels information packed threads. :rolleyes: ;) :D
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I'll put a memo on the desk monday, and i'll see if i can allocate funds for this.
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drivermaker said:
Awww c'mon...nobody is going to steal anything from underneath the table. How could anyone get away with stealing a cue case, envelope, or slippers from underneath a table and get away with it in broad daylight with a bunch of guys around? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Heaven forbid!!!! Maybe the Boston Bullies could enlighten us,as to this phenomena having transpired in the Twilight Zone Pool Hall. LOL

no-sho
 
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