My 25 Cent Chalk Holder...

Bob 14:1

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This is pretty self explanatory, but lengthy because there's a bit of a learning curve. I also want to thank JoeyA for his motivation for this project! I just couldn't find a chalk holder that I really felt would be convenient to use. I wanted something small, unobtrusive, with no moving parts that would stretch or wear out, and that I could wear in a multitude of locations on my slacks and in various comfortable positions.

My main goal was a location where the chalk faces rearwards and not away from my body. I can naturally grasp the chalk with my thumb, index, and middle finger without having to flip around the chalk for the actual chalking. Obviously, you can cement the washer on the bottom if you prefer, although in addition to my finding it inconvenient, the wrapper on the bottom of the chalk seems to be not affixed as smoothly and solidly as the paper wrap on the sides of my chalk samples. Some have said that over time, the washer actually tears away the bottom wrapper. Having done a test cube with various sizes and locations of the washers, it's clearly evident that the poorly affixed bottom layer of wrapper will actually pull away from the chalk, and most likely tend to fail over a protracted period of time. Mounting the washers on the sides to a tight wrapper makes them feel as though they're welded into place. Time will tell. In addition to my personal preference to mounting the chalk rearwards, my fingers never touch the washer, so it results in a totally natural experience just like not using any sort of holder at all. I was also careful to allow the E600 to fully cure for 48 - 72 hours on my samples. I also found that 3M Weatherstripping Cement worked equally as well, but it's most commonly available in either yellow or black, and it's a goopy stringy cement to work with. The E600 is crystal clear.

The crux of this are the two 5/16" magnets which are c. 1/4" thick. I wear it at the bottom of my Levi large pocket since I find my hand just naturally falls to this comfortable position. I've shown it also on the Levi watch pocket, but it seems too high and my hand doesn't go there naturally. These magnets are so ridiculously strong, that I can even mount to my belt loops.

One magnet is tossed into the pocket and located, then the outer magnet locks on to the inner one for a really, really solid positioning. This eliminates the need for a bulky belt clip. There is plenty of magnetism left over to solidly grab the washer affixed to the chalk. I tried larger washers, and they seem to work counterintuitive to what one would think. The large washers actually generate too much grab, while the smaller washers shown provide just the right amount of grab. I actually like the #10 washers the best since they provide such a natural and smooth removal. To insure the best possible adhesion, I scratched the bottom of the washers with very rough sandpaper. I then used Zippo lighter fluid on the bottom of the washer. I also used a Q-tip with the fluid to remove the waxy protective covering on the chalk paper; just enough 'til I could see red on the Q-tip.

Having all of the ingredients already on hand, I figure I'm out two bits for a test sample cube of Master chalk. I haven't a clue where to source these magnets, since they've been in our kitchen drawer forever. If you google Lowes or Depot, it appears that they might have some magnets that are similar. It's basically finding the right combination of magnetic grab, washer size and location to make something unique and fitting to your personal liking. I think for 25 cents; it's cool as heck! Aside from whatever suitable magnets may cost, all the other items are c. $10 if you shouldn't have them already on hand.

As an aside, I've previously never used a chalk holder; thinking they were silly. I know folks either love 'em or hate 'em. But what I've discovered in a few short days is, that if I really want to concentrate, my eyes never leave the playing surface. This morning I put two racks together, and the only time my eyes left the table was to rack. No need to do the Karen Corr or Darren Appleton dance of stepping back, while groping for the chalk, painting the tip and then proceeding to step into the shot. I am still also able to paint the tip easily and correctly. Both Karen and Darren are two of my favorite professionals. Their names just came to mind intuitively; sort of like my chalk comes to my hand. With the chalk readily available in a naturally comfortable position, I no longer have to reach for, or walk to my chalk, and it has literally doubled the time that I can analyze the layout, all without adding any additional time between shots. Shot time is irrelevant really, but shooting at approximately the same speed as before, all of that time is directed to where it should be; into studying the layout and a more thoughtful shot.



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could of done without the close up of yer ass :thumbup:

I like your ingenuity though chalk on brother
 
this is sheer genius.

you realize that both Karen and Darren often use chalk pockets, right?

but i love this solution -- had all the parts laying about already. and it even works with the metal holder for one of my store-bought magnetic chalk holders, but it's more convenient because i can put the chalk where i want it instead of only certain places on my belt. and i sometimes like to wear a loose shirt outside the belt, so this gets it below the shirt.

brilliant!
 
this is sheer genius.

you realize that both Karen and Darren often use chalk pockets, right?

but i love this solution -- had all the parts laying about already. and it even works with the metal holder for one of my store-bought magnetic chalk holders, but it's more convenient because i can put the chalk where i want it instead of only certain places on my belt. and i sometimes like to wear a loose shirt outside the belt, so this gets it below the shirt.

brilliant!

Thanks so much for your kind words, WB. Those that haven't' used such an easy system as this, are really missing out. I made this on a lark; thinking it would just be another unnecessary annoyance to my game.

I ordered a chalk box from Chalk Shark. I'm anticipating that my order of Magic Chalk may have "baggy" wrappers and my system may have to use the 5 sided box with a magnet attached since I'm expecting the loose wrapper won't support my system. I knew Karen used the pouch method, but at times I believe I see Darren just carrying the chalk in his front pocket. I always wonder why the UK players/Snoooker players have such a protracted pre shot routine. Perhaps the answer is "just because". Perhaps a cultural difference. Two countries so alike, yet so different. It sure works wonders with both Karen and Darren and many others as well. Prolly we could all learn a lot from their method.
 
I took apart a few hard drives and found very strong magnets in them. I thought about putting one in my pocket and using it as a chalk holder. The washer is a great idea, which I might try out later.
 
I took apart a few hard drives and found very strong magnets in them. I thought about putting one in my pocket and using it as a chalk holder. The washer is a great idea, which I might try out later.

I'd love to see some photos, etc. if you decide to fabricate something. I wasn't trying to save chalk, or the cost of a commercial unit. It's just that this setup is so naturally ergonomic, it's unbelievable. The tiny magnets are so unobtrusive that I just leave them attached to my pocket if I plan on a couple shooting sessions in the same day. At some point, I'll most likely find my Levi's clipped to the drum of our washer or dryer. Glad you found it interesting.

It actually took me way more time to create this thread than the holder itself once I sorted out the tiny details on my test cube. You can see what a shoemaker job the 3M cement provides below. The magnets should be so strong as to flip and snap automatically into a perfectly mated "cylinder" as you hold one on the inside of the pocket and allow the outside magnet to mate up to it. It takes two hands and a concerted effort to move the two magnets once they've mated.

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I wrap my washer in electrical tape and then run a lighter over it in essence shrink wrapping it to the chalk cube.

The forum seems to blow this picture super imposed, so modifying it to a link.
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Hi,
Nicely done.
On the chalk side.... I've just cut a piece of 26 ga sheet metal to fit one or more sides of the chalk and then wrapped the cube in electrical tape. Masking tape would work too, I'm sure.
Be careful after your game.... you never know what you'll wind up attached to.

Dave
 
I wrap my washer in electrical tape and then run a lighter over it in essence shrink wrapping it to the chalk cube.

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Damn, that's one huge piece of chalk. Prolly need an entire roll of electrical to wrap it
:D

I'm pleased to see that others think this is a convenient and viable solution.
:thumbup:
 
Damn, that's one huge piece of chalk. Prolly need an entire roll of electrical to wrap it
:D

I'm pleased to see that others think this is a convenient and viable solution.
:thumbup:


Yes, i did say i wrapped my washer around it :D
 
this is sheer genius.

you realize that both Karen and Darren often use chalk pockets, right?

darren appleton needs an actual pocket for his chalk. he loves to jump on tables - magnet chalk holders may not work. :grin-square:
 
Bob 14:1,

Thanks for starting this thread.
I am now subscribed to this thread. I look forward to you letting me know, how long the washer stays attached to the chalk. I have had trouble getting the washer to stay affixed for the life expectancy of the chalk.

While I am currently using a leather pouch for holding the chalk, I MUCH PREFER using a magnetic chalk holder. Your use of a smaller washer than what I use might be a solution to the washer holding to the chalk for a longer period of time.

I dislike magnetic chalk holders which require you to place the chalk inside of a holder (plastic or metal). Those just feel too bulky.

The ease of access and just the feel of the chalk going back to the magnet is really pleasant and once you develop the habit, you will never want to go to anything else. Yes, I'm using the leather pouch but it's because I am still waiting for someone to solve the washer coming loose from the chalk.

I appreciate whoever it was that said they attached friction tape to the chalk but I have never been able to get the friction tape affixed without having a slightly gummy surface on the tape at some point in time. Haven't tried the lighter on the friction tape so that might work.

In the meantime, I am going to call the Tweeten and ask them how much for them to sell me JoeyA Chalk (washer installed underneath the chalk wrapper)?:D

JoeyA
 
Yes, a smaller washer will require less force to separate the two... or, a smaller magnet.
I converted a belt clip for a chalk holder and used a magnet that does the job, but isn't too big. The chalk stays put, but doesn't need so much force to remove it that it pulls the washer from the chalk. I think that combination is key. Also... a good quality electrical tape [3M] hasn't gotten sticky in a year of use.

Watch out for those lally columns!
 
Dave,
I would like to ask you a question about the electrical tape that you use.
It may seem like a silly question but I have to know. Have you used ONE piece of chalk with electrical tape (3M) for a year or have you just been using chalks which have a washer and electrical tape wrapped around the washer for a period of a year. The reason is, I go through chalk rather fast. Maybe it's the humidity and heat down here but I haven't had friction tape to not have a stickiness after a short period of use. Then again, maybe because I am using VERY strong rare earth magnets and a large washer, I am putting more pressure on the tape when I pull it away from the magnets and that is what is causing the extra rub and stickiness. I just want to be sure of what you meant.

Thanks,
Joey


Yes, a smaller washer will require less force to separate the two... or, a smaller magnet.
I converted a belt clip for a chalk holder and used a magnet that does the job, but isn't too big. The chalk stays put, but doesn't need so much force to remove it that it pulls the washer from the chalk. I think that combination is key. Also... a good quality electrical tape [3M] hasn't gotten sticky in a year of use.

Watch out for those lally columns!
 
Bob 14:1,

Thanks for starting this thread.
I am now subscribed to this thread. I look forward to you letting me know, how long the washer stays attached to the chalk. I have had trouble getting the washer to stay affixed for the life expectancy of the chalk.

While I am currently using a leather pouch for holding the chalk, I MUCH PREFER using a magnetic chalk holder. Your use of a smaller washer than what I use might be a solution to the washer holding to the chalk for a longer period of time.

I dislike magnetic chalk holders which require you to place the chalk inside of a holder (plastic or metal). Those just feel too bulky.

The ease of access and just the feel of the chalk going back to the magnet is really pleasant and once you develop the habit, you will never want to go to anything else. Yes, I'm using the leather pouch but it's because I am still waiting for someone to solve the washer coming loose from the chalk.

I appreciate whoever it was that said they attached friction tape to the chalk but I have never been able to get the friction tape affixed without having a slightly gummy surface on the tape at some point in time. Haven't tried the lighter on the friction tape so that might work.

In the meantime, I am going to call the Tweeten and ask them how much for them to sell me JoeyA Chalk (washer installed underneath the chalk wrapper)?:D

JoeyA

Remove the paper from the bottom of the chalk and cover it with epoxy when you put on the washer. It seals the bottom of the chalk and you will never have the washer come off..
 
Joey,
This is just one piece of chalk that I've kept in my case for league.
It's probably been more like two years, but used once a week.
You're using the term friction tape, which to me [up here in the northeast] is a different type of electrical tape... cloth impregnated with some sort of rubber compound... which seems to me to be always tacky and doesn't adhere well. We use it on hockey sticks... both ends! The electrical tape I'm referring to is 3M Super 88, but other less expensive ones may do the job. This is a vinyl tape. Another tape that may work well for this application is Silicone self fusing... somewhat bulkier> pretty cool stuff.
Heat will make the vinyl stuff slip and expose adhesive, but I haven't had that problem.
There you have it.

Dave
 
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